2021-06-22 11:33:26 <brainfunnel > is there any information regarding the creator of this website and forth bootstrap? https://forth.neocities.org/ neocities says it was made a year ago and updated pretty scarcely. wishing I
2021-06-22 11:43:00 <brainfunnel > there's a word called "compiler:" commented that its only useful for bootstrapping. it's used at the very top of the boot.fth, I think to add : and ; to the dictionary. then later creates IN
2021-06-22 12:18:16 <siraben     > crc: cbridge is down or freenode side is quiet?
2021-06-22 12:18:52 <crc         > the bridge is still working as far as I can tell, it's just silent on the other side
2021-06-22 12:20:03 <imode       > if it's been inactive for like 10 days it may be worth just shutting it off.
2021-06-22 12:24:23 <crc         > it's been two days. I'm keeping an eye on it.
2021-06-22 12:26:29 <crc         > brainfunnel: I can't find anything on an author for that :(
2021-06-22 12:34:47 <brainfunnel > crc: yeah its very weird. like this thing just magically popped into existence in 2020.
2021-06-22 12:38:45 <brainfunnel > and maybe it was a mistake to pick an implementation to study that's this terse and mysterious haha
2021-06-22 12:45:41 <neuro`      > brainfunnel: Which implementation is it?
2021-06-22 12:47:11 <crc         > neuro`: https://forth.neocities.org/
2021-06-22 12:49:22 <neuro`      > Reminds me of Sean Barret's IOCCC entry. It also had a nice design document.
2021-06-22 12:49:55 <neuro`      > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/c00kiemon5ter/ioccc-obfuscated-c-contest/master/1992/buzzard.2.design
2021-06-22 12:55:33 <brainfunnel > neuro`: thanks for the doc! i'll have a read of it now. should be enjoyable
2021-06-22 12:58:49 <neuro`      > retroprogramming.com has a nice series for a small forth called itsy forth, that one is good too.
2021-06-22 12:59:05 <neuro`      > http://www.retroprogramming.com/2012/06/itsy-forth-compiler.html
2021-06-22 13:08:07 <brainfunnel > will take a look at this one too, sounds coo
2021-06-22 13:08:15 <brainfunnel > cool
2021-06-22 13:31:27 <brainfunnel > wow, this design document is really good
2021-06-22 13:47:06 <NieDzejkob  > ooh, small forths. I wrote one too :D https://niedzejkob.p4.team/bootstrap/miniforth/
2021-06-22 13:47:32 <NieDzejkob  > anyway, are there any existing designs for including context (like runtime numbers and strings) in the message of abort" ?
2021-06-22 14:33:04 <neuro`      > Ah you're here, nice
2021-06-22 14:35:15 <siraben     > impomatic: speaks volumes about how alive freenode is these days, haha cbridge
2021-06-22 14:35:27 <siraben     > oops wrong ping, meant to ping imode
2021-06-22 14:38:26 <NieDzejkob  > neuro`: yeah, since recently
2021-06-22 14:38:38 <impomatic   > 
ACTION waves to siraben :-)

2021-06-22 14:38:47 <siraben     > o/
2021-06-22 14:42:09 <impomatic   > I have a newer version of Itsy Forth which I ought to post at some point.
2021-06-22 14:43:44 <brainfunnel > newer? I'm reading the itsy posts rn and would be interested in seeing a newer version
2021-06-22 14:48:47 <impomatic   > It adds more standard words, making it easier to use for something useful. I'll look for the latest version when I'm in the office.
2021-06-22 14:52:11 <neuro`      > Oh retroprogramming.com guy is also here!
2021-06-22 15:01:22 <neuro`      > I decided to focus on only: http://lars.nocrew.org/dpans/dpans.htm and not wading through various resources.
2021-06-22 15:37:02 <imode       > siraben: lol.
2021-06-22 17:00:57 <neuro`      > Has anyone looked into Green Array chips?
2021-06-22 17:08:45 <cd          > with so many dead links on their site it's hard for me to figure out what they're doing
2021-06-22 17:09:48 <neuro`      > Checking the website just now it seems to be updated recently. But they definitely suffer greatly in the area of marketing.
2021-06-22 17:10:48 <cd          > I like the concept, and see possible uses, but it's also not a replacement for a singlecore MCU in some of the areas they're advertising for
2021-06-22 17:11:09 <cd          > massively parallel is hard and isn't smth you can just throw at every problem, sadly :(
2021-06-22 17:11:30 <cd          > would definitely be fun to program  though
2021-06-22 17:12:09 <neuro`      > Chuck said in an interview that he'd be like if it was put to use in AI. I guess neural networks specifically? Maybe throwing thousands of them together and each core executes a neur
2021-06-22 17:12:26 <cd          > There's an example of this exact concept in the AI industry now
2021-06-22 17:12:27 <neuro`      > s/be like/like/
2021-06-22 17:13:06 <cd          > the Cerebras processors
2021-06-22 17:13:29 <cd          > which are absurdly massive, and are this exact concept on supercomputer scale as far as i can tell
2021-06-22 17:14:10 <neuro`      > It seems curious.
2021-06-22 17:14:22 <neuro`      > One special thing about Green Array is extreme low power and no clock cycle I guess.
2021-06-22 17:14:28 <neuro`      > Or rather it's not clocked
2021-06-22 17:14:29 <cd          > a lot of the manuals for this were last updated in 2011.
2021-06-22 17:14:31 <cd          > hm.
2021-06-22 17:15:42 <cd          > if i needed another comparison, i'd call the Cerebras WSE real-life TIS-100
2021-06-22 17:16:00 <cd          > it even has the same mesh format, of communicating with the four nearest neighbours
2021-06-22 17:17:28 <neuro`      > Yeah I keep recalling TIS-100, I wonder if Zachtronic took inspiration from GreenArrays, or are these kind of CPUs common?
2021-06-22 17:18:02 <cd          > Who knows, it could be an entirely original idea, or inspired by a realworld product like greenarrays
2021-06-22 17:18:08 <cd          > but no, they're not common
2021-06-22 17:18:18 <cd          > because they're extremely hard to program
2021-06-22 17:18:33 <cd          > or rather, program efficiently
2021-06-22 17:19:09 <cd          > the Cerebras products get away with it because they're running embarrassingly parallel problems, so they can be routed like an FPGA and process their input in waves/stages
2021-06-22 17:20:55 <cd          > GreenArrays is running problems that tend to be more serial and sequential, so the process of producing a program for it is likely.. not exactly easy
2021-06-22 17:21:10 <cd          > I would have to look at their programming environment and how efficient the code it produces is.
2021-06-22 17:21:27 <cd          > but my first thought when I do see systems like this is "this is probably a pain to program"
2021-06-22 17:22:46 <neuro`      > http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/DB004-131030-aFUSER.pdf
2021-06-22 17:26:53 <remexre     > https://github.com/mangpo/chlorophyll
2021-06-22 17:26:58 <remexre     > related to greenarrays' stuff
2021-06-22 17:41:18 <crc         > 
ACTION is interested in the greenarrays chips, but has no budget for the evaluation kit and no machines that'll run the official development tools

2021-06-22 19:57:24 <KipIngram   > I always found those interesting too,m but never took the plunge.
2021-06-22 20:16:46 <dave0       > maw
2021-06-22 20:46:34 <KipIngram   > maw dave0
2021-06-22 20:50:08 <dave0       > maw KipIngram
2021-06-22 21:00:00 <cbridge     > <proteusguy> Hey finally I was able to re-register my handle!
2021-06-22 21:06:04 <remexre     > siraben: remarkable got here! got some work stuff to finish, then I'm probably gonna try and port https://git.sr.ht/~remexre/furing (assuming kernel is new enough)
2021-06-22 21:07:29 <remexre     > if not, might write something from scratch, since it's 32-bit so the cell size would need to change anyway
2021-06-22 21:58:09 <siraben     > remexre: nice! remarkable 2?
2021-06-22 21:58:15 <remexre     > yeah
2021-06-22 21:58:44 <Rakko       > ooh?
2021-06-22 21:59:52 <siraben     > nice
2021-06-22 22:00:20 <siraben     > remexre: i have rM 1, and use it very often
2021-06-22 22:02:15 <remexre     > nice; the drawing/handwriting bit is really nice, but i'm still in the phase of hacking where I'm gonna accidentally brick it :P
2021-06-22 22:02:28 <Rakko       > I keep struggling with whether to get one
2021-06-22 22:02:45 <Rakko       > strange since I don't like to handwrite much
2021-06-22 22:02:52 <Rakko       > I keep thinking if I got one I would do it more
2021-06-22 22:03:11 <remexre     > yeah, I'm hoping my handwriting's gonna significantly improve :P
2021-06-22 22:03:45 <remexre     > or at least i'll get better at reading scribbles lol
2021-06-22 22:07:34 <remexre     > siraben: do you have any third-party apps you'd recommend? got remarkable-hacks, been trying to get koreader (rm2fb is having weird issues, tho that's remarkable-2-specific)
2021-06-22 22:08:24 <siraben     > remexre: plato is a good third party reader
2021-06-22 22:08:45 <siraben     > tbh the community hack I use the most is rmview
2021-06-22 22:09:07 <siraben     > nix-shell -p rmview --run rmview
2021-06-22 22:10:11 <remexre     > I haven't set up nix on-device yet lol
2021-06-22 22:11:32 <remexre     > just using toltec for now
2021-06-22 22:18:17 <cbridge     > <crab> how come clog is gone?
2021-06-22 22:19:23 <crc         > crab: I don't know. It has been off all channels since the 18th, though the clog process is still running on the tunes server
2021-06-22 22:27:40 <cbridge     > <crab> I had just checked forthworks for the logs and found nada, usually that's how I keep up when I'm not able to stay on :(
2021-06-22 22:29:04 <cbridge     > <crab> well, in forth related news, the more I think about forth + spreadsheets, the more I want it
2021-06-22 22:29:06 <crc         > I've got logs of this side (including the bridged content) at http://forth.chat
2021-06-22 22:38:46 <crc         > crab: how do you envision that?
2021-06-22 22:45:54 <Rakko       > what's this bridged to?
2021-06-22 22:47:14 <crc         > Rakko: #forth on freenode
2021-06-22 22:51:56 <Rakko       > oh, should've guessed
2021-06-22 22:53:22 <cbridge     > <crab> My original vision is that a spreadsheet is just a continuous segment of memory where each cell is large enough to contain a pointer to any address, and a spreadsheet editor will have s
2021-06-22 22:53:25 <cbridge     > <crab> (strings are assumed to be length:chars) I would have words to reference cells so that I could do things like "A1 F5 SELECTION SUM F6 ENTER" which should be relatively easy if the sprea
2021-06-22 22:54:25 <cbridge     > <crab> And then it should be easy to do things like treat the contents of a cell/cells as valid FORTH and interpret them
2021-06-22 22:54:58 <cbridge     > <crab> it is probably more complicated than my brain thinks though, things usually are