2021-08-03 10:35:05 <kathe       > hi. :)
2021-08-03 10:37:16 <eris[m]1    > hello
2021-08-03 10:37:18 <eris[m]1    > !
2021-08-03 10:37:28 <kathe       > heya eris, how've you been?
2021-08-03 10:37:30 <kathe       > :)
2021-08-03 10:39:17 <eris[m]1    > good!
2021-08-03 10:39:26 <eris[m]1    > how about you?
2021-08-03 10:39:33 <kathe       > good. :)
2021-08-03 11:11:58 <kathe       > hey. back.
2021-08-03 11:12:07 <kathe       > eris, are you still here?
2021-08-03 11:13:44 <siraben     > people connected via matrix are always here :)
2021-08-03 11:13:50 <kathe       > :)
2021-08-03 11:14:04 <kathe       > hello there siraben. glad to see you. :)
2021-08-03 11:14:23 <kathe       > what's this matrix that you've been referring to since yesterday?
2021-08-03 11:16:47 <kathe       > siraben, are you american? or just studying in the u.s.?
2021-08-03 11:19:05 <siraben     > the latter
2021-08-03 11:19:20 <siraben     > kathe: https://matrix.org/
2021-08-03 11:19:34 <kathe       > siraben, where are you actually from?
2021-08-03 11:20:59 <f-a_        > from the Land of Types, of course
2021-08-03 11:21:34 <siraben     > over the sea of abstraction :P
2021-08-03 11:22:45 <eris[m]1    > mhm! i am
2021-08-03 11:23:03 <eris[m]1    > matrix is a lovely little protocol
2021-08-03 11:23:14 <f-a_        > lovely yeah
2021-08-03 11:23:18 <f-a_        > little… not sure :P
2021-08-03 11:26:48 <eris[m]1    > thats fair, haha
2021-08-03 11:29:45 <kathe       > anyone here uses swiftforth from forth, inc.?
2021-08-03 11:32:38 <kathe       > siraben: does your forth handle reals? if yes, using ieee-754?
2021-08-03 11:33:07 <siraben     > you mean floating point?
2021-08-03 11:33:11 <kathe       > yes
2021-08-03 11:33:17 <siraben     > reals require unbounded memory to represent exactly :P
2021-08-03 11:33:30 <kathe       > floating-point is one of techniques for handling reals.
2021-08-03 11:33:34 <siraben     > not at the moment but I exposed some syscalls that call out to the TI-OS
2021-08-03 11:33:48 <siraben     > yeah with loss in precision
2021-08-03 11:34:00 <kathe       > siraben: checkout posithub.org and go through it thorougly.
2021-08-03 11:35:03 <siraben     > looks interesting
2021-08-03 11:35:13 <siraben     > though I have more interest in IEEE representation before other ones
2021-08-03 11:35:31 <siraben     > https://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/bachelor/IEEE754_article.pdf
2021-08-03 11:46:01 <kathe       > siraben: that's an interesting read. i'm enjoying it, a lot. thanks for sharing.
2021-08-03 11:55:26 <kathe       > siraben: which gnu/linux distribution do you use?
2021-08-03 12:03:52 <kathe       > okay, time for me to sign-off.
2021-08-03 12:03:57 <kathe       > o/
2021-08-03 12:04:10 <siraben     > kathe: I use NixOS
2021-08-03 12:04:11 <eris[m]1    > adios!
2021-08-03 12:04:11 <siraben     > bye!
2021-08-03 12:04:15 <eris[m]1    > not all linux is gnu anymore, funnily enough
2021-08-03 12:04:37 <eris[m]1    > if you called my distribution gnu i'd look at you funny
2021-08-03 12:08:00 <DKordic     > DGASAU argued against FORTH in this channel.  It is like arguing against Common Lisp.
2021-08-03 12:16:54 <MrMobius    > where is KipIngram these days?
2021-08-03 12:17:34 <MrMobius    > he used to be in here daily
2021-08-03 12:40:39 <KipIngram   > I'm around.  Howdy.
2021-08-03 12:40:46 <KipIngram   > Just been distracted by other interests.
2021-08-03 12:41:03 <KipIngram   > Taken up some woodworking, and have been overhauling the 3rd car garage into a decent shop.
2021-08-03 12:41:20 <KipIngram   > DGASAU was a *character*.
2021-08-03 12:41:25 <KipIngram   > I remember him.
2021-08-03 12:42:22 <KipIngram   > You couldn't really argue with him though - he was just trolling everyone.
2021-08-03 12:48:04 <KipIngram   > MrMobius: I tend to be kind of "fitful" in my interests - it's not that I "lost interest" in Forth, but a new interest came along and they can kind of be all-consuming.
2021-08-03 12:49:09 <KipIngram   > Forth and physics self-study have tended to be my "things" over the years, but I did go through a geneaology phase a few summers ago, and now I'm kind of having a good time with the woodworking.  For a long time I've wished for something that would keep me from spending all of my time in front of the computer - so maybe this is it.
2021-08-03 13:03:02 <siraben     > KipIngram: hello again!
2021-08-03 13:09:37 <KipIngram   > Hi.
2021-08-03 13:30:03 <MrMobius    > KipIngram, very cool!
2021-08-03 13:30:59 <MrMobius    > I was looking forward to your forth calculator. maybe you'll get back to it when you're in a Forth phase again
2021-08-03 14:11:12 <KipIngram   > :-)
2021-08-03 14:11:56 <KipIngram   > If I do a calculator, I want to include some sort of features I've never seen in calculators before.  Ability to work with finite fields came to mind as a possibility.
2021-08-03 14:14:31 <KipIngram   > I'm surer when I get sucked into the Forth vortext again it will be painfully obvious to all of you - I'll be in here running my yap.  :-)
2021-08-03 15:58:47 <zerorpi     > Hey KipIngram what Forth calculator are you working on?
2021-08-03 16:00:00 <f-a         > a reverse polish notation one
2021-08-03 16:00:09 <f-a         > zero lines of code, tell me a PL who can do better!
2021-08-03 16:01:25 <zerorpi     > is it a custom hardware or an app?
2021-08-03 16:03:16 <imode       > I am also interested.
2021-08-03 16:21:14 <MrMobius    > here's my own humble attempt at a forth calculator running on custom hardware with a 6502 http://calc6502.com/calc6507/main.html
2021-08-03 16:28:25 <zerorpi     > this is impressive
2021-08-03 16:33:19 <KipIngram   > zerorpi: I'm not, really - it's just something I've mentioned as having on a vague future project list, and MrMobius is enthusiastic about it.  :-)
2021-08-03 16:34:06 <KipIngram   > It would be custom hardware.
2021-08-03 16:34:37 <KipIngram   > I'm sure I'd wind up making it ridiculously over-powered, given that I've hardly picked up a calculator for... well, decades.
2021-08-03 16:35:09 <KipIngram   > The way the world has evolved them into near oblivion makes me a little sad - my calculator and I were inseparable companions back when I was in college in the early 80's.
2021-08-03 16:38:29 <zerorpi     > i feel you, i was a calculator enthusiastic as well in the 90's
2021-08-03 16:39:06 <zerorpi     > wow this calc6507 also accepts colon definitions
2021-08-03 16:39:40 <MrMobius    > heh ya. it's a real forth. check out the word list
2021-08-03 16:45:57 <zerorpi     > what does it compile? threaded code?
2021-08-03 16:46:43 <eris[m]1    > no R> and >R?
2021-08-03 16:46:45 <zerorpi     > i see it's full assembly
2021-08-03 16:47:05 <MrMobius    > tokenized. only 2k ram
2021-08-03 16:47:43 <MrMobius    > no R> and >R. im trying to make something very hard to crash but i could add those
2021-08-03 16:48:02 <eris[m]1    > thats fair
2021-08-03 16:50:07 <MrMobius    > ya full assembly. needs to fit in 8k and is already 9k so gonna redo part of it with a register vm for floating point stuff which is what takes up most of the space
2021-08-03 16:50:16 <MrMobius    > then either that or forth to shrink the interface stuff
2021-08-03 17:15:37 <zerorpi     > cool stuff, must have been lots of work
2021-08-03 17:16:27 <zerorpi     > i did a forth calculator not too long ago but that's just a phone app, nowhere near as cool
2021-08-03 17:17:31 <zerorpi     > what's the purpose of strings? i see can push one on the stack but can't find any words operating on strings
2021-08-03 17:17:33 <KipIngram   > Full assembly is the way to go.  ;-)
2021-08-03 17:18:22 <KipIngram   > I find the string handling in Python to be VERY valuable when I need to munge text around.  Like if I want to post-process the output of some program to put human readable output into a database or something.
2021-08-03 17:18:27 <KipIngram   > Pythong sort of got strings right.
2021-08-03 17:18:54 <KipIngram   > Hmmm...
2021-08-03 17:18:57 <KipIngram   > Pythong...
2021-08-03 17:19:04 <KipIngram   > Not sure what that is, but it sounds potentially fun...
2021-08-03 17:19:16 <eris[m]1    > python thong?
2021-08-03 17:19:22 <zerorpi     > assembly is fun, it just takes long time to do things in it
2021-08-03 17:19:25 <KipIngram   > Or something.
2021-08-03 17:19:28 <KipIngram   > Yes, it does.
2021-08-03 17:19:34 <KipIngram   > It's... gratifying, though.
2021-08-03 17:19:40 <KipIngram   > As things begin to come together.
2021-08-03 17:26:10 <zerorpi     > d/
2021-08-03 17:30:24 <MrMobius    > zerorpi, cool! do you have a link?
2021-08-03 17:30:45 <MrMobius    > cant do anything with strings yet. it might make sense to leave on on the stack to communicate with the user
2021-08-03 17:31:03 <MrMobius    > trying to fit this into 8k then plan is to do 32k version with string words
2021-08-03 17:32:07 <MrMobius    > there are no efficient c compilers for the 6502 and there never be one so you kind of have to do asm if you care about size or speed
2021-08-03 18:19:22 <zerorpi     > MrMobius: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vectron.forthcalc but it's only for android