2021-08-14 01:39:45 <dave0       > maw
2021-08-14 10:50:30 <siraben     > morning
2021-08-14 11:32:20 <f-a         > ciao siraben
2021-08-14 11:32:48 <siraben     > nashville's been constantly wet this week
2021-08-14 11:33:29 <f-a         > rain?
2021-08-14 11:33:38 <f-a         > or the cumulative sweat of people?
2021-08-14 11:34:30 <siraben     > rain
2021-08-14 12:08:11 <KipIngram   > f-a: lmao...
2021-08-14 12:08:45 <KipIngram   > Houston's been HOT and HUMID, as always in August.
2021-08-14 12:08:52 <f-a         > what are forth people up to?
2021-08-14 12:08:58 <KipIngram   > It's funny when people move into the Houston area from up north.
2021-08-14 12:09:16 <KipIngram   > Just wait for that first August after that and they'll be walking around with a stunned look.
2021-08-14 12:09:41 <KipIngram   > This forth person is up to woodworking and garage organization right now.
2021-08-14 12:09:56 <f-a         > super
2021-08-14 12:10:05 <KipIngram   > My third garage was a disaster zone for years.
2021-08-14 12:10:11 <KipIngram   > But I've brought it to heel the last few weeks.
2021-08-14 12:10:46 <KipIngram   > And, it being July / August in Houston, I wind up coming in and changing clothes about three times every day because I'm drenched in sweat.
2021-08-14 12:10:57 <KipIngram   > And hydrating - I've been doing a LOT of hydrating.
2021-08-14 12:11:37 <KipIngram   > I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver a bunch of disk magnets today so I can organize my socket tool drawer in the tool chest.
2021-08-14 12:11:42 <f-a         > how many °C?
2021-08-14 12:11:53 <KipIngram   > Hmmm.  37-38?
2021-08-14 12:12:10 <KipIngram   > And like 60-65 percent humidity.
2021-08-14 12:12:37 <KipIngram   > Normally it would be like 35 C, but the last couple of days have been extra hot.
2021-08-14 12:12:56 <KipIngram   > It usually has trouble getting up over 35 or so BECAUSE of all the moisture in the air.
2021-08-14 12:13:08 <KipIngram   > We're close enough to the coast that it stays humid almost all the time.
2021-08-14 12:13:54 <KipIngram   > 35 is in the low 90's F - last couple of days have been 95-100 F.
2021-08-14 12:14:29 <KipIngram   > I'm not generally so quick with the C scale, but I just happen to know that 37 is body temperature, and that's 98.6 F.
2021-08-14 12:14:40 <KipIngram   > Handy reference point.
2021-08-14 12:35:48 <KipIngram   > Once I get things all tidy and organized out there I may look into building some DIY CNC stuff.  And of course that would use Forth.  :-)
2021-08-14 12:36:18 <f-a         > oh yeah
2021-08-14 12:36:20 <f-a         > yeah handy
2021-08-14 12:36:26 <KipIngram   > A main driver here is to do something other than tech, so I'm paying a lot of attention to hand tools, but hey - it's hard to stay away from Forth for TOO long.
2021-08-14 12:36:27 <f-a         > CNC?
2021-08-14 12:36:50 <KipIngram   > computer numerical control.  Like a computer driven router table or something like that.  Route programmed patterns.
2021-08-14 12:37:29 <KipIngram   > I actually have a lot of motion control in my professional background, so it's comfortable terrain for me.
2021-08-14 12:37:42 <KipIngram   > Mostly stepper motors, but I did do some with servos.
2021-08-14 12:37:51 <f-a         > mhhh
2021-08-14 12:37:59 <KipIngram   > Lot of machine vision over the years as well.
2021-08-14 12:40:59 <KipIngram   > My favorite little bit of vision tech was this gadget that projected a sheet of laser beams across a gap.  You'd pick up a semiconductor component, from a tray or tape pocket, and of course you didn't know exactly how it was sitting in that pocket - they were loose fits.
2021-08-14 12:41:31 <KipIngram   > So you'd pull the package body up into that laser sheet and spin the part - by watching how the shadow evolved vs. angle you could suss out precisely how you were holding the part.
2021-08-14 12:41:57 <KipIngram   > Then you could include corrections for that in your moves, and you could put that baby down so that every pin was within 0.001" of the right spot.
2021-08-14 12:41:59 <KipIngram   > Clever.
2021-08-14 12:42:31 <KipIngram   > And of course you could do that spin on the fly, while you were moving toward the target - you just did the correction at the last moment before placing it.
2021-08-14 12:43:14 <KipIngram   > It was faster than having to go visit an upward looking camera and using it to determine the part position.
2021-08-14 12:43:29 <KipIngram   > The laser thingy was mounted on the PnP head.
2021-08-14 20:39:43 <dave0       > maw
2021-08-14 22:01:26 <KipIngram   > maw dave0.
2021-08-14 22:52:02 <siraben     > KipIngram: Keepass or KeepassXC?
2021-08-14 22:52:13 <siraben     > the former is unmaintained
2021-08-14 23:05:59 <KipIngram   > My distro of Linux (Fedora 34) has KeepassX 2.
2021-08-14 23:06:18 <KipIngram   > Not sure about the app I have on my Android phone.
2021-08-14 23:06:22 <KipIngram   > Lemme look.
2021-08-14 23:06:29 <siraben     > Wow, last release 4 years ago.
2021-08-14 23:06:45 <KipIngram   > Well, it's just called KeepassDroid.
2021-08-14 23:06:47 <siraben     > I used to use KeepassX until I heard about how it was unmainted
2021-08-14 23:06:56 <siraben     > unmaintained*
2021-08-14 23:06:57 <siraben     > I use https://keepassxc.org/ now
2021-08-14 23:07:21 <KipIngram   > I'll look into it.  It works.  :-)
2021-08-14 23:07:31 <siraben     > np
2021-08-14 23:07:32 <siraben     > given something as important as passwords YMMV in which manager you choose of course
2021-08-14 23:08:25 <KipIngram   > Well, if someone picked up my notebook while my back was turned, it would almost certainly just be some local yahoo.  I wouldn't expect a particularly high level of talent to be applied to breaking my relatively insignificant password vault.
2021-08-14 23:08:45 <KipIngram   > But sure - if it's an easy change I might make it.
2021-08-14 23:09:31 <KipIngram   > Anyway, my earlier comment really should have been "a good password vault for the win."  I'm not particularly fanatic about my particular one.
2021-08-14 23:09:57 <KipIngram   > It's a fairly simple flow and I've found it became much easier to use good passwords online since I started using it.
2021-08-14 23:10:06 <siraben     > yes, that's the key benefit
2021-08-14 23:10:11 <KipIngram   > And different passwords for EVERYTHING.  Prior to using a vault I hadn't done that.
2021-08-14 23:10:14 <siraben     > and making TFA painless
2021-08-14 23:10:35 <siraben     > when I was a kid my email was used for spam because I reused a password from some random game forum
2021-08-14 23:10:38 <KipIngram   > Yes.  I keep all my TFA pass codes in the vault as well.
2021-08-14 23:10:46 <KipIngram   > And I've occasionally needed to use them.
2021-08-14 23:10:47 <siraben     > so then I learned to use a password manager since a young age :)
2021-08-14 23:11:18 <KipIngram   > Heh.  I stopped being a young age before password vaults even existed.  :-)
2021-08-14 23:11:21 <siraben     > password reuse is still shockingly common though, ugh.
2021-08-14 23:11:30 <KipIngram   > Yes it really is.
2021-08-14 23:13:13 <siraben     > and I'm not so pleased about browsers trying to also act as password managers. I guess it makes sense for users in the context but it yet is another scope creep
2021-08-14 23:13:22 <siraben     > I disable such features on my browsers
2021-08-14 23:13:52 <KipIngram   > Yes, I agree with that.  Especially since for a long time (don't know if they do it anymore) they stored those passwords in cleartext.
2021-08-14 23:14:32 <siraben     > that's unlikely to be case now, but since there's often no master password the security seems dubious
2021-08-14 23:14:41 <siraben     > (I'm purely speculating here)
2021-08-14 23:14:42 <KipIngram   > Right - exactly.
2021-08-14 23:14:56 <KipIngram   > Just completely toss security for convenience.
2021-08-14 23:15:20 <siraben     > Well, at least most in the hacker community do randomize every password we have under the sun :)
2021-08-14 23:16:48 <siraben     > Passwords like password or 123456 are still very common heh
2021-08-14 23:22:38 <KipIngram   > Well, in some cases one just might not care.  On some silly website that's connected in no way with your finances or you reputation etc.
2021-08-14 23:22:52 <KipIngram   > Where you just regard the requirement for a password as an inconvenience.
2021-08-14 23:23:40 <KipIngram   > Even back in the old days when I "re-used," I still had a "burner password" that I used for most "disconnected" things.
2021-08-14 23:24:47 <KipIngram   > So at least no one could have gotten my password for some local BBS and used it to access my email, or my bank, etc.