2021-11-02 09:11:22 <veltas      > concrete-houses: If you build gforth and then do an update that can happen, solution is unfortunately to remove gforth, build an old gforth, and then build the new gforth again to install
2021-11-02 09:11:41 <veltas      > Because I can't figure out how to build gforth without an older gforth installed
2021-11-02 09:11:53 <veltas      > Assuming you're using the latest source
2021-11-02 13:55:51 <terminalpusher> how do I use gforth to compile a forth file?
2021-11-02 13:56:47 <terminalpusher> `gforth a.forth` interprets a.forth
2021-11-02 13:56:50 <terminalpusher> it doesn't compile it
2021-11-02 13:59:40 <lispmacs[work]> terminalpusher: well, technically when you interpret colon definitions, they get compiled into ram
2021-11-02 13:59:49 <lispmacs[work]> gforth has someting called image files
2021-11-02 14:00:15 <lispmacs[work]> which allows you to save the current memory image
2021-11-02 14:00:52 <lispmacs[work]> there are several different ways to make the image file, however, so you'll need to study chapter 13 of the info manual
2021-11-02 14:01:16 <terminalpusher> ahh ok
2021-11-02 14:01:36 <lispmacs[work]> an example though is "gforthmi asm.fi asm.fs"
2021-11-02 14:01:47 <lispmacs[work]> with asm.fi being the
2021-11-02 14:01:54 <lispmacs[work]> image file
2021-11-02 14:02:27 <lispmacs[work]> then gforth -i asm.fi to load it
2021-11-02 14:09:09 <terminalpusher> I see
2021-11-02 15:42:42 <neuro_sys_  > What's your favorite Forth standard?
2021-11-02 15:43:28 <f-a         > forth and standard are words that seldom go together =D
2021-11-02 15:43:46 <neuro_sys_  > Indeed, but still :D
2021-11-02 15:43:56 <imode       > whatever crc is working on.
2021-11-02 15:43:59 <neuro_sys_  > I'm reading Forth-79, looks small and simple
2021-11-02 15:45:28 <crc         > no standards for me :)
2021-11-02 15:45:58 <neuro_sys_  > I had seen in your website a comparison of words across different standads.
2021-11-02 15:46:21 <neuro_sys_  > Or rather the list of words only in tabular form
2021-11-02 15:46:52 <crc         > yes, http://forthworks.com/forth/papers/compare.pdf
2021-11-02 15:47:20 <crc         > the core words in some standards and systems
2021-11-02 18:29:14 <veltas      > neuro_sys_: FIG FORTH was essentially a standard of sorts, and I would choose that
2021-11-02 18:29:34 <veltas      > The main FORTH standard has always been a mix of good and horrific
2021-11-02 18:30:26 <veltas      > ENVIRONMENT? and CHARS are the least FORTHy things that anyone has ever done
2021-11-02 18:31:45 <veltas      > 'address unit' instead of 'byte', not making RDROP EXIT standard
2021-11-02 18:32:03 <veltas      > INVERT instead of NOT
2021-11-02 18:32:18 <f-a         > what is wrong with AU?
2021-11-02 18:32:26 <f-a         > in theory it could differ from a byte
2021-11-02 18:32:29 <veltas      > That is literally what 'byte' means
2021-11-02 18:32:56 <f-a         > well a byte is 8 bit
2021-11-02 18:32:59 <veltas      > A byte is an 'address unit', people just associate it with 8-bit bytes because that's conventional, but it wasn't always so
2021-11-02 18:33:14 <veltas      > There have been 7-bit bytes etc
2021-11-02 18:33:20 <f-a         > did not know
2021-11-02 18:33:34 <veltas      > Yeah well apparently they didn't either
2021-11-02 18:33:46 <veltas      > Even the C standard got this detail correct
2021-11-02 18:33:46 <f-a         > well to be honest if I check the definition on dictionaries
2021-11-02 18:33:49 <f-a         > 8bit pops up
2021-11-02 18:33:50 <f-a         > soooooooooooo
2021-11-02 18:34:11 <veltas      > It's just a convention, in history there were other sizes
2021-11-02 18:34:27 <veltas      > But the fact is these days.... good luck finding a platform where a byte isn't 8 bits
2021-11-02 18:34:50 <veltas      > Why do you think the French have 'octet' as a unit
2021-11-02 18:35:01 <f-a         > «otteto» here too
2021-11-02 18:40:10 <veltas      > Yeah I don't consider a dictionary authoritative on technical matters, the same way a doctor doesn't look up disease symptoms in the Oxford dictionary
2021-11-02 18:40:31 <veltas      > I know you said that sarcastically but I am just playing along
2021-11-02 18:41:04 <f-a         > I did not say it sarcastically to be honest xD
2021-11-02 18:42:10 <f-a         > tho on britannica: The string of bits making up a byte is processed as a unit by a computer; bytes are the smallest operable units of storage in computer technology.
2021-11-02 18:42:43 <veltas      > What does SICP say
2021-11-02 18:42:45 <f-a         > I am sorry veltas but this is one of those «literally laughing» not literally meaning laughing
2021-11-02 18:43:21 <f-a         > I like au because it reminds me of… gold
2021-11-02 18:43:34 <veltas      > I don't understand re literally laughing
2021-11-02 18:43:48 <veltas      > AU reminds me of astronomical units
2021-11-02 18:44:45 <f-a         > veltas: when people say «I am literally laughing» or «literal _____» today, seldom they mean «I am laughing in real life»
2021-11-02 18:44:51 <veltas      > Okay
2021-11-02 18:44:58 <f-a         > same as lol is not people laughing out loud at their keyboards
2021-11-02 18:45:03 <f-a         > hopefully
2021-11-02 18:45:31 <f-a         > but yeah according to that pd comparison, RETRO forth is pretty compact
2021-11-02 18:46:01 <veltas      > Essentially what they've done is created a term to describe something that already has a name, albeit the use of the name to mean non-8-bit bytes is archaic but then so is their consideration in the first place
2021-11-02 18:49:32 <MrMobius    > bytes dont have to be 8 bits in C. on some DSPs they are 12 bits
2021-11-02 18:50:35 <veltas      > Yep, although annoyingly they have to be at least 8 bits
2021-11-02 18:51:01 <veltas      > Even though a classic C implementation was for a 7-bit byte platform
2021-11-02 18:54:31 <veltas      > I think it's unavoidable in FORTH, that if you want to write a conventional FORTH, or write conventional FORTH programs, you need to be familiar with a few different standards/FORTHs