2021-11-06 08:28:08 <veltas      > Opinions on APL?
2021-11-06 08:28:30 <eris[m]     > rank == depth
2021-11-06 08:31:01 <eris[m]     > thats my opinion
2021-11-06 17:12:16 <sennomo     > 
ACTION thinks APL is fun and can be impressively concise. Not sure how I'd compare it to forth, though.

2021-11-06 17:14:37 <eris[m]     > with something like CoSy
2021-11-06 17:15:08 <tangentstorm> 
ACTION waits patiently for his video about using stacks in J to finish rendering...

2021-11-06 17:15:33 <eris[m]     > crossover episode!
2021-11-06 17:16:05 <tangentstorm> j/apl actual use a stack-based parser rather than a context free grammar
2021-11-06 17:16:16 <eris[m]     > yea
2021-11-06 17:16:37 <eris[m]     > can you define digraphs in J?
2021-11-06 17:16:47 <tangentstorm> i kept using the words 'push' and 'pop' in my video and someone asked what i was talking about so i made a whole talk about stacks
2021-11-06 17:17:20 <eris[m]     > like uhhh. %# =: {{ 1+1 }}
2021-11-06 17:18:01 <eris[m]     > idk i dont do J
2021-11-06 17:18:01 <tangentstorm> no, names in j are always a letter followed by letters and numbers... though j for android seems to let you define unicode names
2021-11-06 17:18:08 <eris[m]     > huh
2021-11-06 17:18:11 <eris[m]     > no unicodes?
2021-11-06 17:18:17 <eris[m]     > in normal j
2021-11-06 17:18:19 <eris[m]     > that is
2021-11-06 17:18:26 <eris[m]     > × =: *
2021-11-06 17:18:57 <eris[m]     > forth and apl arent really comprable
2021-11-06 17:19:24 <eris[m]     > if you wrote firmware in apl i think hell would open up beneath you
2021-11-06 17:19:49 <tangentstorm> no, j pretty much abandoned the apl symbols and went all ascii from the start (though there is a primitive that can convert different kinds of unicode character representations)
2021-11-06 17:20:36 <tangentstorm> i think forth and apl both have the notion of stringing words together and having the data just flow through them without explicit arguments
2021-11-06 17:20:44 <eris[m]     > yea
2021-11-06 17:20:55 <eris[m]     > theres also some shared attitudes
2021-11-06 17:21:04 <tangentstorm> (except apls allow a second argument on the other side of the word)
2021-11-06 17:21:14 <eris[m]     > like 'write code to solve the problem'
2021-11-06 17:22:05 <tangentstorm> i wrote a little forthlike vm in j that i touch on briefly in this video. at some point i want to do a whole 'forthlike interpreter in x minutes' episode
2021-11-06 17:24:25 <sennomo     > Hm...APL might be good for firmware invlolving parallel processing.
2021-11-06 17:25:12 <sennomo     > But I guess most people would prefer modern Fortran over APL for that.
2021-11-06 17:27:32 <tangentstorm> all it takes is one crazy person. :)
2021-11-06 17:29:29 <tangentstorm> http://cosy.com/CoSy/ huh!
2021-11-06 17:32:17 <eris[m]     > cosy's creator is weird
2021-11-06 17:32:21 <eris[m]     > timecube style shit
2021-11-06 17:37:29 <sennomo     > "CoSy is arguably the simplest and hardest programming language"
2021-11-06 17:39:13 <sennomo     > Reminds me of the harmonica in that sense. XD
2021-11-06 17:56:21 <tangentstorm> https://youtu.be/3vYYftQl014 <- "7 ways to use a stack" video (j/forth)