2021-11-12 00:29:43 <siraben     > lispmacs[work]: I don't think it does, try running ti84-forth on it
2021-11-12 00:29:57 <siraben     > for zkeme80 it is specific to the 84+ since I have no other hardware
2021-11-12 09:16:10 <xavie       > hi
2021-11-12 12:53:37 <xcombele    > hi
2021-11-12 13:03:38 <crc         > hello
2021-11-12 13:55:30 <veltas      > I really can't get over how good the original Starting FORTH is, I don't think it's possible to write a better introduction to the language
2021-11-12 13:56:17 <veltas      > Although I know not everyone likes it but from my own perspective it's just perfect, and of such a high quality, despite the odd mistake
2021-11-12 13:58:33 <MrMobius    > veltas, have you seen the interview with the author from a a few months ago?
2021-11-12 13:59:03 <veltas      > Yep, very good
2021-11-12 14:05:34 <veltas      > Anyone else got fucked by the Android clock update?
2021-11-12 14:05:38 <MrMobius    > i liked it pretty well too. my only gripe is the use of terms like "local variables" when he really means globals and "information hiding" which is not what that means otherwise. i suspect he didnt start that though
2021-11-12 14:06:21 <veltas      > These terms didn't really have a well formed meaning back then I think
2021-11-12 14:06:44 <veltas      > Like he was using 'refactoring' in writing before any other known literature on programming
2021-11-12 14:07:31 <veltas      > Leo Brodie was asking on the Facebook group for people to make changes on the wikipedia page for refactoring because the current 'oldest' example they have is newer than a book he wrote with the term (Thinking FORTH I think?)
2021-11-12 14:08:05 <veltas      > Apparently Chuck Moore was using the term a lot in the 80s
2021-11-12 14:09:13 <veltas      > Android's clock app updated with superficial annoying changes to the layout of stuff... and it broke timers. They don't trigger an actual alarm now, not until I press the unlock button
2021-11-12 14:09:25 <veltas      > Then it flashes "-5mins" or something and the alarm goes off and my food is burnt
2021-11-12 14:09:52 <veltas      > Rolled it back, thanks for nothing, what do I expect from updating a trivial app like that anyway