2022-01-18 04:29:59 <crc         > the cloak of darkness game in retroforth is for retro11; it doesn't work in the current system.
2022-01-18 04:30:20 <crc         > I should do a new implementation for the current system sometime
2022-01-18 08:47:39 <jim         > retroll?!!
2022-01-18 08:48:03 <jim         > trolling once is enough, but retrolling?
2022-01-18 08:48:12 <jim         > (just kidding)
2022-01-18 09:16:20 <lagash      > crc: or perhaps for ANS FORTH? :)
2022-01-18 09:54:48 <crc         > I'm unlikely to do an ANS version
2022-01-18 09:57:04 <veltas      > Maybe you can make it lagash
2022-01-18 10:55:38 <remexre     > has anyone tried "IF doesn't pop its argument" in a medium-to-large codebase?
2022-01-18 11:33:03 <crc         > I don't often need to keep the flag around, so don't have an IF that leaves it on the stack
2022-01-18 14:19:41 <lagash      > remexre: as in, you don't have to DUP the flag before calling IF?
2022-01-18 14:21:07 <remexre     > lagash: yeah; chuck suggested it at some point as a way to avoid ?DUP
2022-01-18 14:34:50 <lagash      > remexre: but it's not in any standard or anything like that, right?
2022-01-18 14:35:40 <remexre     > don't think so, no
2022-01-18 15:00:37 <veltas      > : IF'  POSTPONE DUP  POSTPONE IF ;  IMMEDIATE
2022-01-18 15:03:23 <f-a         > DUPed
2022-01-18 15:12:14 <crc         > http://forth.works/share/49b651c114033177b1821923a782daf1 is a bit from Chuck Moore on this (from his 1999 1x forth talk)
2022-01-18 17:15:57 <veltas      > lagash: Trying sam at work
2022-01-18 18:00:26 <lagash      > veltas: pardon, sam?
2022-01-18 18:00:43 <crc         > presumably the sam editor
2022-01-18 18:00:59 <veltas      > Who was banging on about sam yesterday
2022-01-18 18:01:00 <lagash      > oh, right, right
2022-01-18 18:01:10 <lagash      > Wasn't me, I did mention ed though
2022-01-18 18:01:42 <veltas      > joe9: ^^^
2022-01-18 18:01:51 <joe9        > yes, what about sam/acme?
2022-01-18 18:02:05 <veltas      > Sorry I didn't realise you had sam on highlight
2022-01-18 18:02:27 <veltas      > I'm trying it at work
2022-01-18 18:02:34 <veltas      > Some stuff seems good, some stuff seems bad so far
2022-01-18 18:02:53 <joe9        > read the paper though.
2022-01-18 18:02:56 <joe9        > it is worth it.
2022-01-18 18:03:10 <veltas      > Which one?
2022-01-18 18:03:22 <crc         > I dislike the mouse driven aspects of sam & acme
2022-01-18 18:03:41 <veltas      > This one? https://research.swtch.com/sam.pdf
2022-01-18 18:04:30 <veltas      > I think I'm jaded to weird mouse usage now, having gotten used to old X window managers and motif stuff
2022-01-18 18:05:34 <joe9        > http://sam.cat-v.org/
2022-01-18 18:06:23 <veltas      > joe9: Sorry, I mean which paper should I read?
2022-01-18 18:07:36 <veltas      > You keep mentioning "the paper"
2022-01-18 18:08:43 <joe9        > http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/structural_regexps/se.pdf
2022-01-18 18:09:01 <joe9        > and then this https://research.swtch.com/sam.pdf
2022-01-18 18:10:12 <joe9        > http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut.pdf
2022-01-18 18:10:43 <veltas      > Thanks
2022-01-18 18:17:13 <joe9        > if you have not come across this anecdote, https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1941206