2022-07-25 13:49:35 <KipIngram   > This is lovely...
2022-07-25 13:49:37 <KipIngram   > https://nordvpn.com/blog/dream-hacking/
2022-07-25 13:51:08 <thrig       > looks like a javascript page
2022-07-25 13:55:53 <lispmacs[work]> KipIngram: creepy psychological manipulation experiment + free beer? probably an easy choice for most people
2022-07-25 13:57:01 <KipIngram   > :-)
2022-07-25 13:57:40 <KipIngram   > I find dreams fascinating, and have always wanted to be able to do that "lucid dreaming" thing, but have made pretty much zero progress with it.
2022-07-25 13:59:02 <lispmacs[work]> it is doable, but a lot of work. I worked on it for a while, but had trouble becoming lucid without waking up
2022-07-25 13:59:11 <KipIngram   > I'm lucky if I even remember a dream when I wake up.
2022-07-25 13:59:28 <Zarutian_HTC> KipIngram: „we have been trying to wake you up for years now and we are not sure how this message will reach you in your lucid dream, but please wake up“
2022-07-25 13:59:37 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I think I became lucid one time, in all the times I've tried, and I woke up almost immediately.
2022-07-25 13:59:53 <KipIngram   > So who's to say I wasn't already waking up, and that's why I realized I was dreaming?
2022-07-25 13:59:58 <lispmacs[work]> you have to do things like focus before going to sleep and waking your self up with an alarm multiple times in the night. a lot of bother, especially if you want a good nights sleep more
2022-07-25 14:00:33 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I've tried that, to the extent one can with a spouse also trying to sleep.
2022-07-25 14:01:37 <KipIngram   > I've also made a couple of attempts at dream journaling, but as I noted I rarely remember dreams and I have a pronounced lazy streak.
2022-07-25 14:02:23 <lispmacs[work]> now I just throw the kids in bed, throw myself in bed, and hope somehow I wake up later having slept at least 6 hours
2022-07-25 14:02:35 <KipIngram   > :-)
2022-07-25 14:03:03 <KipIngram   > Yes.  I only have one kid still at home, and she's old enough that she has the usual teen trait of not wanting to hang out with her parents too much.
2022-07-25 14:03:23 <KipIngram   > So there's a lot less of that sort of work than there used to be.
2022-07-25 14:05:35 <KipIngram   > She's a high school senior this coming year, so in just a year it'll be an empty nest, so to speak.
2022-07-25 14:45:27 <KipIngram   > Zarutian_HTC: :-)
2022-07-25 14:47:47 <KipIngram   > Like in Vanilla Sky.
2022-07-25 14:47:58 <KipIngram   > That was a weird one.
2022-07-25 18:41:17 <siraben     > imode: ethereum is expected to use significantly less energy when it switches to proof-of-stake
2022-07-25 18:41:38 <imode       > doesn't stop it from being grift.
2022-07-25 18:41:47 <imode       > and doesn't eliminate the energy usage.
2022-07-25 18:41:47 <siraben     > I myself have doubts about the current state of cryptocurrencies but from a systems standpoint it actually has addressed novel challenges
2022-07-25 18:41:55 <imode       > like fucking what.
2022-07-25 18:42:15 <imode       > please, inform me of one challenge it has addressed that it hasn't created.
2022-07-25 18:42:18 <siraben     > maintaining a shared ledger across untrusted nodes? distributed systems are complicated
2022-07-25 18:42:26 <imode       > distributed systems are pretty simple.
2022-07-25 18:42:35 <siraben     > i don't have the energy to argue, you seem to already have made up your mind
2022-07-25 18:42:51 <imode       > I work in large-scale distributed systems that have to be guarded against fraud every day lmao.
2022-07-25 18:43:01 <imode       > it's just poorly engineered.
2022-07-25 18:43:13 <imode       > that and all of the grift.
2022-07-25 18:44:39 <imode       > also, like.. you engaged me.
2022-07-25 19:37:41 <MrMobius    > I know very little about crypto but was curious the other day if you could send a satellite to orbit the sun and mine crypto. lots of free energy that isnt dumping entropy into the Earth
2022-07-25 19:38:03 <MrMobius    > dunno if that would ever pay for itself
2022-07-25 19:44:41 <thrig       > the "tyranny of the rocket equation" comes to mind
2022-07-25 20:50:32 <thrig       > also a forth repl for something in near-sun orbit might be a little laggy
2022-07-25 22:44:26 <KipIngram   > I admire the *goal* of cryptocurrencies - to define a medium of exchange that can't be tinkered with by a central authority.
2022-07-25 22:44:33 <KipIngram   > That's a worthy goal.
2022-07-25 22:44:48 <KipIngram   > It's a "freedom-oriented" goal.
2022-07-25 22:45:29 <KipIngram   > I view the electricity as the cost of achieving that goal, but proof of work is a bad solution.
2022-07-25 22:45:52 <KipIngram   > "Too expensive."
2022-07-25 22:46:54 <KipIngram   > And I can admire the cleverness of the basic idea, too.
2022-07-25 22:48:00 <KipIngram   > imode: how are you using the word "grift" here?  That's not an official term that I've missed, is it?
2022-07-25 22:48:11 <KipIngram   > I sense you're using it more in the traditional sense.
2022-07-25 22:48:53 <KipIngram   > Are you complaining about the transaction fees?
2022-07-25 22:50:06 <KipIngram   > There's always a cost.  In a traditional government backed currency it's the taxes you pay to that government.
2022-07-25 22:52:03 <KipIngram   > A portion of them, at least.
2022-07-25 22:52:39 <KipIngram   > And you have to worry about those guys tinkering - they can't be trusted.
2022-07-25 22:53:21 <remexre     > no, like pump-and-dump schemes on people creating their own coins
2022-07-25 22:53:28 <remexre     > (is how I read that, at least)
2022-07-25 22:55:23 <KipIngram   > Ah.  Well, yeah - there's really not any kind of activity that unscrupulous people won't try to hijack.  So yes, I do concede that at least when the government currency is the only one you've got, there's not that "compeitition."  But they sometimes play equally ruinous games with the official currency.
2022-07-25 22:55:44 <KipIngram   > "exploit" is a better word than hijack.
2022-07-25 22:57:31 <remexre     > yeah, the way a lot of it feels is a large-scale distributed effort to remember why each piece of financial regulation exists...
2022-07-25 23:09:33 <KipIngram   > Well, for that same "grift" reason - because people will find any way they can to cheat.
2022-07-25 23:10:00 <KipIngram   > Junk bonds, worthless mining stock, various banking maneuvers, whatever.