2022-08-04 06:58:17 <lisbeths    > Combinators are very similar in some ways to how forth words operate and there are some combinatorial systems which are like forths and which have lists as well as swap
2022-08-04 06:58:59 <lisbeths    > Forth is among the most efficient machines that can do what it does so it really fascinates me as a tool.
2022-08-04 07:04:20 <smlckz      > is there a forth implementation for 8085?
2022-08-04 07:47:48 <KipIngram   > http://computer-programming-forum.com/22-forth/6fbc9d453a3b4dd5.htm
2022-08-04 07:49:50 <KipIngram   > lisbeths: What do you do in a lossless stack machine?  Do you just "abandon" no-longer-needed information, and assume the stack can grow as needed?
2022-08-04 07:50:01 <KipIngram   > Or is there usually some other mechanism?
2022-08-04 09:08:29 <thrig       > early lisp machines got rebooted every few days because the garbage collector wasn't so good. so that's a semi-lossless machine
2022-08-04 09:52:10 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I was wondering if that might be the approach in some cases.  I mean, we use our computers for different things over time - if we were compelled to carry forward everything we'd ever done, that would quickly run into difficulties.
2022-08-04 10:05:13 <dlowe       > just have your ram be a giant ring buffer
2022-08-04 10:05:34 <dlowe       > if it mattered you would have made a copy somewhere
2022-08-04 10:29:11 <thrig       > simple, we just build a giant token ring, and to make a copy you put the data onto that ring
2022-08-04 10:30:33 <dlowe       > what's a token ring?
2022-08-04 10:31:08 <thrig       > pre-ethernet technology
2022-08-04 10:56:09 <dlowe       > that's a token ring network
2022-08-04 10:56:16 <dlowe       > a ring network that uses a token
2022-08-04 10:56:40 <thrig       > not very scary, at most you get token ring wraiths
2022-08-04 10:56:58 <dlowe       > you never had to manage a large one. holy cow, that was a pain in the rear
2022-08-04 10:57:14 <dlowe       > a break anywhere in the ring and the whole company goes down
2022-08-04 10:57:53 <thrig       > eh, I've seen a whole company go down because someone oopsed a DNS zonefile
2022-08-04 10:58:20 <thrig       > (IRC still worked, if you were connected, or knew the IP)
2022-08-04 10:59:41 <dlowe       > I've seen a whole company go down because someone oopsed a BGP config. :D  But thankfully I don't work at Meta.
2022-08-04 11:00:17 <thrig       > phone system? dead. anything Microsoft? dead.