2022-08-27 07:46:12 <lisbeths    > which is smaller, sector 4th or sector lisp
2022-08-27 07:49:27 <dave0       > lisbeths: sector lisp
2022-08-27 07:49:59 <lisbeths    > can we beat them?
2022-08-27 07:50:05 <dave0       > yes
2022-08-27 07:50:12 <lisbeths    > I think that we should do a race to the bottom
2022-08-27 07:50:25 <dave0       > i did my own version of sectorforth which is 416 bytes
2022-08-27 07:50:36 <lisbeths    > I think that this needs to be in the Guinness book of worlds records whichever is the smallest
2022-08-27 07:51:10 <dave0       > lisbeths: someone did a basic that fits in a sector too
2022-08-27 07:51:34 <dave0       > lisbeths: https://github.com/nanochess/bootBASIC
2022-08-27 07:51:39 <lisbeths    > but what's the smallest that can be used to bootstrap the rest
2022-08-27 07:51:56 <lisbeths    > is it zero?
2022-08-27 07:52:39 <dave0       > lisbeths: smallest forth or smallest piece of machine code?
2022-08-27 07:53:07 <lisbeths    > Smallest language that can bootstrap everything else
2022-08-27 07:53:29 <lisbeths    > I have trouble imagining what I'm describing
2022-08-27 07:54:15 <dave0       > lisbeths: someone wrote some bootstrap thing where it reads a key and writes the key to memory, byte by byte, and then jumps to it
2022-08-27 07:54:23 <dave0       > it was like 30 bytes
2022-08-27 07:54:57 <dave0       > you had to write the machine language
2022-08-27 07:55:21 <dave0       > and you had to use alt-numpad to make the bytes
2022-08-27 07:55:58 <lisbeths    > I think if you cannot within a few bytes spin it into something that's human readable then it's not very good
2022-08-27 07:56:12 <lisbeths    > but the term human readable is difficult to quantify
2022-08-27 07:56:49 <dave0       > yeah this was like toggling in the boot loader from switches on the front panel of the computer
2022-08-27 07:58:05 <dave0       > lisbeths: the interesting things are like a commodore 64, where you turn on the computer and instantly you are in basic and you can write code
2022-08-27 07:58:40 <dave0       > even the original ibm-pc's dropped you into basic if there was no harddrive or floppy to boot from
2022-08-27 07:59:05 <dave0       > in a way that was better
2022-08-27 07:59:11 <dave0       > the computer never failed to boot
2022-08-27 20:03:53 <KipIngram   > Yes, I also always wondered why "total failure" potential was designed in.
2022-08-27 20:04:07 <KipIngram   > They already HAD the code for a base language environment.