2022-09-04 19:48:01 <crc         > Quiet today :)
2022-09-04 21:03:59 <vms14       > :D
2022-09-04 21:04:20 <vms14       > yeah the chat log of today does not even exist
2022-09-04 21:05:04 <vms14       > didn't*
2022-09-04 23:27:12 <vms14       > crc I'm adding sdl bindings
2022-09-04 23:27:21 <vms14       > https://termbin.com/pn89
2022-09-04 23:27:42 <vms14       > it only prints the key you press and exits if you close the window for now
2022-09-04 23:28:07 <vms14       > I want to try to make a simple game to see if it can perform well enough
2022-09-04 23:28:29 <crc         > seems like a good idea
2022-09-04 23:28:56 <selene_     > i'd really like to try something like that too eventually
2022-09-04 23:29:16 <selene_     > used to do a lot of hobbyist gamedev but it was mainly in js (unfortunately)
2022-09-04 23:29:28 <vms14       > selene_: my end goal is to do it in js
2022-09-04 23:29:48 <vms14       > but will be transpiling it, I had no idea how a concatenative lang could get transpiled to js
2022-09-04 23:29:54 <selene_     > mmm
2022-09-04 23:30:10 <vms14       > because of function composition you never know when a word will be part from another
2022-09-04 23:30:12 <thrig       > if you can't get tic tac toe to perform well you've gone done something wrong
2022-09-04 23:30:37 <vms14       > but I saw a chinese guy putting the stack on the js side
2022-09-04 23:30:44 <vms14       > this way it can work
2022-09-04 23:31:08 <vms14       > I'll try that, but the sdl stuff is just to test the performance of the lamg itself as I assume it will be very slow
2022-09-04 23:31:20 <vms14       > thrig: I want to try with a clone of vampire survivors
2022-09-04 23:31:39 <vms14       > actually of magic survival which is a clone of vampire
2022-09-04 23:32:21 <selene_     > oh sounds neat
2022-09-04 23:32:48 <vms14       > at least will let me check how the language performs
2022-09-04 23:33:04 <vms14       > I fear the performance
2022-09-04 23:35:07 <vms14       > the thing is it's a bit hard to force a user install the dependencies to try your game/code
2022-09-04 23:35:26 <vms14       > this is why I want to make the 'js package
2022-09-04 23:36:05 <vms14       > and this way it does not matter the performance of the interpreter or the number of words you define
2022-09-04 23:36:42 <selene_     > yeah trivially easy portability was the main reason i started learning to make stuff in js ages ago
2022-09-04 23:36:46 <vms14       > also enables it for some web development, and being in perl I can put it inside of apache and modify apache's behavior
2022-09-04 23:37:33 <vms14       > selene_: if you want to reach the most users you can, a web application seems the most logical step
2022-09-04 23:38:57 <thrig       > javascript ain't good at portability given it requires a bloat browser
2022-09-04 23:40:08 <eris[m]123  > the browser is available on every os commonly used
2022-09-04 23:40:12 <eris[m]123  > thats portable
2022-09-04 23:40:35 <thrig       > lol, no
2022-09-04 23:40:57 <vms14       > I don't like the idea of putting the stack on the js side, but I see no better choices
2022-09-04 23:41:26 <vms14       > one was to require the user put semicolons manually and alike xD
2022-09-04 23:42:03 <vms14       > I hope the performance hit isn't noticeable
2022-09-04 23:42:31 <selene_     > well, i definitely don't see it as being sufficiently portable nowadays, nor does it mesh well with my own preferences for languages but when i was younger and a bit more naïve it met my goals enough
2022-09-04 23:42:35 <vms14       > still better than making the whole interpreter in js, which I did
2022-09-04 23:43:08 <eris[m]123  > thrig: wat
2022-09-04 23:43:11 <vms14       > I don't think the portability and deployment of js is matched by any other language
2022-09-04 23:43:19 <eris[m]123  > yea
2022-09-04 23:43:38 <thrig       > uh. sqlite isn't written in javascript
2022-09-04 23:43:41 <vms14       > yet you'll have to care about different browsers/devices and alike, but still
2022-09-04 23:44:15 <vms14       > tell me one person you know that has no js capable browser, being in a computer or in a phone
2022-09-04 23:46:44 <vms14       > I would be one of them if I could visit more than 4 websites without js :/
2022-09-04 23:47:40 <selene_     > lol
2022-09-04 23:47:59 <selene_     > nowadays i block most js on websites tbh