2022-09-09 06:01:07 <MrMobius    > TaliForth2 is nice but actually for 65C02 so won't run on an NES or Atari
2022-09-09 11:22:32 <KipIngram   > https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/embedded-revolution/article/21249936/electronic-design-arm-sues-qualcomm-to-force-it-to-destroy-chip-designs?o_eid=2379F0905723A3W&rdx.ident[pull]=omeda|2379F0905723A3W&oly_enc_id=2379F0905723A3W
2022-09-09 11:23:26 <KipIngram   > I don't know the legal details, but I don't think it seems fair for a licence granter to be able to cancel the license and have that affect products *already shipped* by the licensee.  Seems like it should just affect going forward developments.
2022-09-09 11:24:04 <KipIngram   > At least that seems like the "common sense" thing to me.  Otherwise it just invites licensors to give good terms until the licensee is committed, and then shaft them.
2022-09-09 11:25:02 <KipIngram   > And possibly products already *developed* but not yet shipped should be protected too.  A company could spend years developing a major product, only to have someone they have a license from step in and rip them a new one.
2022-09-09 11:25:26 <KipIngram   > That makes the line fuzzier, but sometimes life is fuzzy.
2022-09-09 11:40:55 <vulpine     > the license terms probably included a 'we are allowed to revoke it' clause
2022-09-09 16:57:53 <MrMobius    > fingers crossed your code is portable
2022-09-09 18:34:31 <lispmacs[work]> I found some 4-bit CPUs the other day in some scrap equipment, and wrote a little post about it:
2022-09-09 18:34:36 <lispmacs[work]> https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/tech/20220908-0.gmi?inline=1
2022-09-09 21:06:04 <KipIngram   > vulpine: No doubt.  Governments can restrict such things, and though I'm not generally supportive of "too much" regulation, I think practices like that shouldn't be possible.
2022-09-09 21:06:17 <KipIngram   > But... no one checks in regularly with me on these things.  :-)
2022-09-09 21:06:33 <lagash      > MrMobius: I think I'm gonna use WaForth and try to use it with WASM-4, although 12K out of 64K is a bit much
2022-09-09 21:07:17 <KipIngram   > 12k isn't "awful" for a Forth, though.  I know it can be squeezed a bit smaller, but it's still pretty good.
2022-09-09 21:08:14 <KipIngram   > 16 bit stack?
2022-09-09 21:16:49 <lagash      > KipIngram: I'm just saying, that's 12K less I can use for the rest of the game..
2022-09-09 22:15:04 <KipIngram   > Well, or 4k or so less - even the smallest you can find is likely to take 8k, unless it's tethered or something.
2022-09-09 22:35:31 <vms14       > did you toy with the idea of making a forth sort of a macro system for writing assembly?
2022-09-09 22:35:51 <vms14       > I mean instead of having an interpreter, make the forth write asm code instead
2022-09-09 22:36:46 <vms14       > in my mind it seems a very simple task to do, and make colon words have 0 cost
2022-09-09 22:36:56 <vms14       > makes*
2022-09-09 22:37:38 <vms14       > it would add no overhead as it just generates assembly, the only drawback is you loose interactivity
2022-09-09 22:38:22 <vms14       > but in my mind it seems nice to be able to combine words and just make them output asm code
2022-09-09 22:40:08 <vms14       > crc https://forth.chat/logs/libera/forth seems to not work
2022-09-09 22:40:17 <vms14       > The connection has timed out
2022-09-09 22:40:29 <vms14       > https://forth.chat/ works
2022-09-09 22:42:12 <crc         > vms14: the server is under heavier than normal traffic at the moment
2022-09-09 22:44:32 <crc         > It should be back to normal shortly; looks like the incoming traffic is trending down
2022-09-09 22:45:53 <vms14       > crc you mean like ddos, or you're servicing something and getting visitors?
2022-09-09 22:46:29 <vms14       > a friend made me a ddos attack and fucked the whole internet xD
2022-09-09 22:47:36 <vms14       > how did you guys start with assembly?
2022-09-09 22:48:00 <vms14       > or better said, with which microcontroller/microprocessor?
2022-09-09 22:48:27 <vms14       > I want to start with assembly, but I don't think x86 is a good start
2022-09-09 22:48:30 <crc         > I don’t keep logs anymore, but typically this happens when one of the domains ends up on hacker news or lobste.rs, right after a retroforth release, or (probably in this case), is getting crawled by an aggressive bot
2022-09-09 22:48:57 <vms14       > maybe because of the reddit post?
2022-09-09 22:50:04 <vms14       > I'm looking at the z90
2022-09-09 22:50:08 <vms14       > z80*
2022-09-09 22:50:21 <crc         > I doubt it; there was a small uptick in connections after that, but nothing major
2022-09-09 22:51:14 <crc         > it’s been a long time since I did 8080 or z80 assembly. I delved into that very briefly when I was in my teenage years.
2022-09-09 22:51:58 <thrig       > probably one gets a book or tutorial and starts digging through it
2022-09-09 22:52:17 <vms14       > thrig: I got the "programmimg the z80" book
2022-09-09 22:52:35 <vms14       > but for the x86 I have the programming from the ground up one
2022-09-09 22:53:13 <crc         > The server is written in RetroForth, and runs under inetd; it’s not the most efficient thing. I’m going to be making some improvements to it in the near-ish future.
2022-09-09 22:53:24 <vms14       > I want something that could let me make a simple game without much hassle
2022-09-09 22:54:00 <vms14       > the gameboy uses a micro similar to the z80, could try to use that
2022-09-09 22:54:07 <vms14       > I even saw a forth for the gameboy
2022-09-09 22:54:18 <vms14       > http://gbforth.org/
2022-09-09 22:55:15 <vms14       > nice as long as you have mac or docker
2022-09-09 22:55:57 <vms14       > ah it just needs gforth
2022-09-09 22:57:16 <vms14       > seems to be entirely written in forth, which is nice
2022-09-09 22:57:22 <vms14       > https://github.com/ams-hackers/gbforth/tree/main/src
2022-09-09 23:03:31 <vms14       > what drawbacks could I have making a forth that just writes asm code?
2022-09-09 23:03:45 <vms14       > I only see that I loose interactivity
2022-09-09 23:06:32 <thrig       > also portability
2022-09-09 23:10:32 <vms14       > I think portability increases since you can name some registers as words
2022-09-09 23:10:57 <vms14       > in other machines you can change those words which represent registers/instructions
2022-09-09 23:20:47 <vms14       > for some reason I always was attracted by pic microcontrollers