2022-09-14 17:33:27 I've tagged two FORTH-related repos for hacktoberfest if anyone wants the T-shirt 2022-09-14 17:34:00 There's my Starting FORTH block editor implementation that needs finishing or maybe refactoring https://github.com/Veltas/sf-editor 2022-09-14 17:34:19 TSHIRT FREE 2022-09-14 17:34:44 And my ZX Spectrum FORTH that has some open issues https://github.com/Veltas/zenv 2022-09-14 17:35:12 I can't wait for all the single character typo pull requests 2022-09-14 17:35:37 Yep it's the hardest free t-shirt you'll ever work for 2022-09-14 17:35:58 no? I got a free t-shirt at amazon 2022-09-14 17:36:24 Yeah but you didn't join Amazon for the shirt... or did you? 2022-09-14 17:36:45 maybe I did, maybe I didn't 2022-09-14 17:37:02 Does everyone in here work at Amazon? 2022-09-14 17:37:12 I don't 2022-09-14 17:37:45 But you work for another FAANG? 2022-09-14 17:37:47 the shirt (13 years old) outlasted my stay at amazon 2022-09-14 17:38:18 veltas: I don't know what that is 2022-09-14 17:38:26 Like a big tech company 2022-09-14 17:38:28 veltas: I do tech stuff for the emergency services 2022-09-14 17:38:38 Yeah I have a real job too :( 2022-09-14 17:38:54 N isn't for Napster 2022-09-14 17:39:17 gordonjcp: Do you use COBOL? 2022-09-14 17:39:27 veltas: not for about 25 years 2022-09-14 17:40:15 I heard they still use COBOL in the USA for some of their public services, so I generally wonder if people use it 2022-09-14 17:40:59 banks and other such places 2022-09-14 17:41:59 I literally got told to replace "struct X {" with "class X { public:" at work because "classes are the future", I would rather be using COBOL at this point 2022-09-14 17:42:39 That is C++ for anyone wondering 2022-09-14 17:43:03 The problem with C++ is there are more features, the more features you give programmers the worse they can be at programming 2022-09-14 17:43:42 they removed trigraphs? 2022-09-14 17:44:06 veltas: banking systems all over the world use COBOL 2022-09-14 17:44:42 "Object oriented programming" is pretty much the turning point when software became shit 2022-09-14 17:47:34 C++ was designed for a frictionless vacuum 2022-09-14 17:47:35 OOP is good, it's just people use it to fix problems it's not good at fixing 2022-09-14 17:48:04 I'd say it's been going... somewhere for a while, faster, so it's hard to stick a tail on the precise bend in the exponential curve 2022-09-14 17:48:42 I think OOP and the web have a lot to answer for 2022-09-14 17:48:55 And smart phones 2022-09-14 17:53:22 gordonjcp: It used to be people didn't have programming paradigms or features, so they wrote programs that just did the job they were meant to do 2022-09-14 17:53:46 Now people have features and they want to use them, so programmers spend all day writing programs to use features of programming languages 2022-09-14 17:53:52 and then broke echo by adding a bunch of incompatible features to it 2022-09-14 17:55:20 We're in the black hole of programming right now where nobody wants to program anymore and the current "big thing" is genociding the planet with supercomputers to draw demonic pictures 2022-09-14 17:56:27 You know it's over when the big thing in programming is a way to avoid writing programs at the expense of skyrocketing price energy 2022-09-14 17:57:00 The end point is we are all slaving away to harvest fuel to power the AI machines that tell us where more fuel is 2022-09-14 18:01:39 Anyway kids, get in on #hacktoberfest this year and earn your T-shirt with the wide range of Open Source(TM) Forth(TM) projects out there 2022-09-14 18:05:04 oil companies probably use a bit of energy running navier stokes 2022-09-14 19:18:44 http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ 2022-09-14 19:19:15 ah, cat-v