2022-09-27 06:13:36 <crcx        > joe9: I'm not sure it has a conventional interpreter. IIRC, you set the color to yellow, and the system processes input as you type it in
2022-09-27 06:18:19 <crcx        > https://github.com/Howerd/colorForth/blob/master/cf2022.nasm#L1601
2022-09-27 07:51:02 <joe9        > thanks.
2022-09-27 09:22:04 <KipIngram   > https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/embedded-revolution/article/21251092/electronic-design-nvidias-lovelace-gpu-upgrades-graphics-with-ai?o_eid=2379F0905723A3W&rdx.ident[pull]=omeda|2379F0905723A3W&oly_enc_id=2379F0905723A3W
2022-09-27 14:21:43 <vms14       > I think I'll try to stick to forth and learn it properly
2022-09-27 14:21:49 <vms14       > (real forth)
2022-09-27 14:22:18 <vms14       > I dislike the fact it does not have stuff like db, gui, sockets, etc
2022-09-27 14:22:43 <vms14       > I'm restricted to piping the stdin and stdout to the language, but even with that I could do some nice stuff
2022-09-27 14:23:33 <vms14       > and after all I was going to make some sort of js transpiler and also had the idea of making kind of a programmable compiler/assembler which just outputs asm code
2022-09-27 14:23:43 <vms14       > this can be done with almost any forth
2022-09-27 14:24:08 <vms14       > If I were able to make gforth use the ffi it has it could be nice
2022-09-27 14:24:33 <Zarutian_iPad> forth is nice for some mcu work
2022-09-27 14:25:16 <Zarutian_iPad> though there are some that support posix syscalls
2022-09-27 14:26:09 <Zarutian_iPad> doing gui might just involve doing it over vnc over sockets but then you need to implement a graphics stack yourself
2022-09-27 14:26:28 <vms14       > Zarutian_iPad: yeah, it's niche is on embedded systems after all, and it's mostly why it was made
2022-09-27 14:26:39 <vms14       > but I think forth is a really powerful language
2022-09-27 14:26:44 <Zarutian_iPad> for scripting work I usually just use tcl, lua, or js
2022-09-27 14:26:54 <vms14       > I love colon words and the fact it encourages you to factor
2022-09-27 14:27:23 <vms14       > but I think this is just the start and has a lot of cool features that can make it a very good choice for almost any program
2022-09-27 14:27:44 <Zarutian_iPad> oh, indeed. I have carried factoring over tojs using the arrow function syntax
2022-09-27 14:28:03 <Zarutian_iPad> to js*
2022-09-27 14:28:07 <vms14       > yet I could have some luck and use some sort of emulator like  z80 emulator and take a z80 forth to play with, but meh
2022-09-27 14:28:47 <vms14       > in some platforms "gui" is just a matter of putting stuff on some memory location
2022-09-27 14:29:30 <vms14       > I was making my own abomination, but it's quite broken and very different from forth
2022-09-27 14:29:44 <Zarutian_iPad> because I am looking into running programs on secure multi party computation sequential boolean circuits I just went a head and defined a very small vm that can be implemented in such
2022-09-27 14:29:59 <vms14       > I guess it's good to spend some time with a real forth and learn it properly, then I could consider to make my own lang inspired in it
2022-09-27 14:30:29 <Zarutian_iPad> I ported eForth to dcpu16 too many years back
2022-09-27 14:30:54 <vms14       > I don't know asm yet, but I think I'm willing to learn
2022-09-27 14:31:29 <vms14       > anyways the first step should be learn forth, I was making a toy concatenative lang in a high level language and was quite different from a real forth
2022-09-27 14:31:40 <Zarutian_iPad> I recommend visual6502.org and starting with 6502 assembly
2022-09-27 14:32:06 <vms14       > why 6502 assembly?
2022-09-27 14:32:41 <Zarutian_iPad> fewer instructions than x86 and no gotchas like delayed branch slots like in mips32 or arm
2022-09-27 14:34:24 <Zarutian_iPad> risc-v user/problem mode might also be good start
2022-09-27 14:35:12 <vms14       > Zarutian_iPad: ty for the recommendation, I'll try to remember it, I'm looking at that page btw
2022-09-27 14:35:28 <vms14       > I see the 2 steves and the apple 1
2022-09-27 14:35:30 <vms14       > xD
2022-09-27 14:36:17 <vms14       > but still I should learn forth properly, I just know very little stuff and making a program equivalent to 3 hello worlds is quite hard to me
2022-09-27 14:36:40 <vms14       > I have a good a nice guy gave me, I'll go to read it
2022-09-27 14:36:45 <vms14       > forth fundamntals
2022-09-27 14:37:31 <vms14       > a good book*
2022-09-27 15:14:45 <vms14       > some one told me about the jupiter ace forth manual
2022-09-27 15:15:17 <vms14       > don't know if it was in that channel, I guess nope
2022-09-27 15:15:50 <vms14       > but the guy told me he thinks is a very good manual, I had a look in order to learn how to write a good manual xD
2022-09-27 15:16:22 <vms14       > it's a bit funny, the manual says if you mess something just disconnect the computer
2022-09-27 15:16:25 <thrig       > Faulty Towers has a good manual
2022-09-27 15:16:59 <vms14       > at that time it wasn't a problem, today it's likely you can fuck even your disk by disconnecting it
2022-09-27 15:17:40 <vms14       > it teaches you like you never had access to a computer, like the ace is your first computer and you're learning about computers and forth at the same time
2022-09-27 15:18:33 <vms14       > it says when you press enter you tell the computer "OK computer, I've typed in your orders. Now go and obey them"
2022-09-27 15:19:07 <vms14       > I know a user from here had a jupiter ace
2022-09-27 15:21:46 <Zarutian_iPad> http://holonforth.com is this something?
2022-09-27 15:27:00 <vms14       > Zarutian_iPad: a quick look seems to say it has several versions
2022-09-27 15:27:09 <vms14       > but also seems you can use dosbox and try it
2022-09-27 15:27:11 <vms14       > http://holonforth.com/holon86.html
2022-09-27 15:27:56 <vms14       > in the zip at the end there's a welcome.htm which I suppose it's a manual
2022-09-27 15:28:39 <vms14       > also says stuff about a browser, like it connects to a running image and uses the browser as a kind of debugger?
2022-09-27 15:29:52 <vms14       > anyways the dos version seems to have a debugger too
2022-09-27 15:30:29 <vms14       > Zarutian_iPad: if you try it and play with it, can you tell us what features do you find?
2022-09-27 15:39:48 <vms14       >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykNYseSj33E
2022-09-27 15:39:53 <vms14       > a video of holonforth
2022-09-27 15:40:44 <vms14       > the guy is using dosbox, so you know it will work there
2022-09-27 15:40:57 <vms14       > and at least the music isn't bad :D
2022-09-27 15:41:47 <vms14       > but I wonder why does he has two windows and how did him set them
2022-09-27 15:42:05 <vms14       > I know it's a cross-compiler, but didn't know you could do that with dosbox
2022-09-27 15:45:19 <vms14       > also this video
2022-09-27 15:45:21 <vms14       > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRRvRaxJByk
2022-09-27 15:55:05 <vms14       > did someone try ficl?
2022-09-27 15:55:28 <vms14       > https://ficl.sourceforge.net/
2022-09-27 15:56:17 <vms14       > I have some interest in tile forth btw
2022-09-27 15:56:30 <vms14       > https://github.com/cstrotm/tile-forth
2022-09-27 15:56:48 <vms14       > I like the {} inside a colon word
2022-09-27 15:56:54 <vms14       > binds names with elements from the stack
2022-09-27 15:56:56 <vms14       > : 2drop { a b } ;
2022-09-27 15:57:06 <vms14       > : 2swap { a b c d } c d a b  ;
2022-09-27 15:57:33 <vms14       > I think it's a nice feature to have in forth, I had something similar in my abomination
2022-09-27 15:57:56 <vms14       > it avoids the need of dup swap etc