2023-03-14 13:03:09 <KipIngram   >  This is very interesting:
2023-03-14 13:03:10 <KipIngram   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxTVSwt-jsU
2023-03-14 13:03:35 <KipIngram   > Really neat how we're learning new things about all this based on recently developed technology (particularly genetics, but other things too).
2023-03-14 13:07:59 <KipIngram   > Wow - this guy is contending that all of the major plagues throughout history, back to around 3500-3000 BC, are related to one another.
2023-03-14 13:08:54 <KipIngram   > a big one in that time period being the "mother plague," so to speak.  I'm not quite sure yet exactly what kind of connection they're talking about, though.
2023-03-14 13:10:28 <KipIngram   > Maybe they're saying it's the same infection, moving about as people migrated into new areas of dense population.  The original mutation seems to have happened around 3700 BC.
2023-03-14 13:11:22 <KipIngram   > People populating up into  large settlements with lots of animals and garbage created the breeding ground for it.
2023-03-14 13:12:48 <Zarutian_iPad> I think there are three or four types of plagues: bacterial, protist, fungal, and viral
2023-03-14 13:12:59 <Zarutian_iPad> perhaps prions too.
2023-03-14 13:13:03 <thrig       > Microsoft
2023-03-14 13:14:27 <Zarutian_iPad> the first three is usually kept at bay via general sanitation
2023-03-14 13:15:08 <thrig       > even if you don't touch Microsoft you'll still take splatter damage
2023-03-14 13:15:50 <Zarutian_iPad> though killing or destroying certain spores of fungus and some bacteria is rather hard.
2023-03-14 13:16:52 <Zarutian_iPad> thrig: I am limiting my discussion to biological plagues, not taking into account memetic or social based ones.
2023-03-14 13:24:03 <KipIngram   > Holy cow.  He just said something that made me think "Maybe I should subscribe to Nature magazine."  So I looked it up.
2023-03-14 13:24:15 <KipIngram   > For a one-year subscription, they want ***$199***.
2023-03-14 13:24:21 <KipIngram   > I think they can keep their magazine.
2023-03-14 13:24:53 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I don't think he's trying to say "all illnesses" are the same.
2023-03-14 13:25:03 <KipIngram   > He's focusing primarily on the big "civilization shaping" ones.
2023-03-14 13:25:29 <KipIngram   > I mean, we *know* their are infectious organisms that are pretty distinct from one another.
2023-03-14 13:26:35 <KipIngram   > Nature seems to have a strong political slant anyway.  I don't know how much it shows up in their main journal, but it sure shows up in the  "Nature Briefs" I get in my email.
2023-03-14 13:26:43 <KipIngram   > There's a very clear agenda.
2023-03-14 13:27:07 <KipIngram   > It's ironic - a *science* magazine, founded on objectivity.
2023-03-14 13:27:52 <Zarutian_iPad> infected with (il-)liberalism?
2023-03-14 13:38:53 <KipIngram   > Basically, yeah, and fairly overtly.
2023-03-14 13:39:09 <KipIngram   > And thoroughly wrrapped in the "unquestionable authority" of science.
2023-03-14 13:50:11 <KipIngram   > Wow.  Looks like migrations into Europe were from two primary sources - the "Anatolians," from the southern parts of Asia (middle east, etc.)  and "Northern Eurasians," and it's fairly obvious where they came from.
2023-03-14 13:50:29 <KipIngram   > The Anatolians migrated as whole communities, bringing full biodiversity with them, and were primarily farmers.
2023-03-14 13:50:55 <KipIngram   > The Northern Eurasians were 90+% male - they didn't bring their women with them, or at least brought very few.
2023-03-14 13:50:56 <thrig       > probably smelled of elderberries
2023-03-14 13:51:02 <KipIngram   > That says "armies" to me.
2023-03-14 13:51:12 <KipIngram   > They conquered and took the local women.
2023-03-14 13:51:19 <KipIngram   > And likely killed most of the men.
2023-03-14 13:51:29 <thrig       > armies often had women and such along. some dudes on some horses...
2023-03-14 13:51:43 <KipIngram   > Yeah, there were a few women.
2023-03-14 13:51:48 <KipIngram   > A few percent, apparently.
2023-03-14 13:52:35 <KipIngram   > But it's a fairly clear picture of what went down, and today in Europe you can see in the overall gene pool the further south you go the more anatolian genetic survival there is.
2023-03-14 13:55:34 <thrig       > there are a lot of horse-friendly steppes out somewhere from Europe
2023-03-14 13:56:24 <Zarutian_iPad> oh its half a Tau day for some reason
2023-03-14 13:56:49 <KipIngram   > This is a great video.
2023-03-14 18:24:43 <KipIngram   > Wow - this is fascinating:
2023-03-14 18:24:44 <KipIngram   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8FM9nMFbfI
2023-03-14 18:24:57 <KipIngram   > This guy is proposing something I've never seen suggested before.
2023-03-14 18:25:32 <KipIngram   > The idea that the Celtic language, rather than developing in the east and sprerading to Britain and the European coast, that it *developed* along the coast and spread inland.
2023-03-14 18:25:39 <KipIngram   > And he's citing support for the idea.
2023-03-14 18:26:23 <KipIngram   > I'm just waiting to find out if anyone in the comments suggests that that coastline was colonized by Atlanteans when they had to find a new place, and that their influence spread inland.  ;-)
2023-03-14 18:26:51 <KipIngram   > It would fit into that kind of fringe theory extremely well.
2023-03-14 18:27:11 <KipIngram   > Especially if the origins can be traced back to 11k-13k years ago.
2023-03-14 18:27:38 <thrig       > Younger Dryas did cause some flux
2023-03-14 18:46:39 <KipIngram   > Absolutely, and around that same time there were a pair of massive, very sudden, sea level rises.
2023-03-14 18:46:46 <KipIngram   > 400 feet, between the two of them.
2023-03-14 19:49:43 <KipIngram   > Man, I think I buy this idea that Celtic originated in the west.
2023-03-14 19:49:52 <KipIngram   > There are just some things that are otherwise hard to explain.
2023-03-14 19:54:28 <KipIngram   > Some of this they got by applying the same kind of statistics to regional word lists that they apply to dna data.
2023-03-14 19:54:47 <KipIngram   > Results in a tree, of how language variations split off from one another, and roughtly when.
2023-03-14 19:56:01 <KipIngram   > It looks like there was a coastal short-haul trade network up and down the Atlantic coast as far back as 4k BC.