2023-03-22 08:50:38 <KipIngram   >  This whole adjective gender thing - it's not really an issue for READING already written Latin - prose or poetry.  It reall impacts only my "generation" of Latin, which I probably won't be doing much of.  So maybe I do just proceed and assume that once I can read things, if I DO read a fair bit it'll just gradually "accrete."
2023-03-22 12:02:07 <MrMobius    > Is Latin one of the ones where word order doesn't matter and it's based on endings?
2023-03-22 12:02:17 <MrMobius    > They cutoff does your accretion :P
2023-03-22 12:03:47 <MrMobius    > The worst is when you can't remember the endings and the sentence still makes sense regardless of which nouns are subjects or objects
2023-03-22 12:03:54 <thrig       > Latin set itself up to decline, so isn't much used now
2023-03-22 14:11:30 <KipIngram   > MrMobius: Yes, the give me sentences with almost every word order you could imagine.
2023-03-22 14:11:48 <KipIngram   > est ("is") might come early in the sentence or all the way at the end.
2023-03-22 14:12:27 <KipIngram   > Is it used at all outside of eclisiastical Latin?
2023-03-22 14:12:53 <KipIngram   > I mean for purposes other than... "using Latin."
2023-03-22 14:18:08 <dlowe       > I remember seeiing a scientific paper written in latin about ten years ago
2023-03-22 14:19:19 <KipIngram   > Oh, fun.  :-)
2023-03-22 14:19:23 <dlowe       > while you *can* turn Latin into a puzzle, you don't *have* to. Actual Latin use isn't as hard
2023-03-22 14:19:39 <dlowe       > you can make some puzzling grammar in English too
2023-03-22 14:20:19 <KipIngram   > In a video I watched the guy pointed out that if you write something in Latin, there's a good chance that if someone reads it a thousand years from now, they will interpret it exactly the way you intended it, since Latin is "dead" and not evolving.  Whereas with a living language it will evolve during that thousand years and be interpreted in whatever the prevailing conditions then lead to.
2023-03-22 14:20:29 <KipIngram   > I thought it was a pretty good point.
2023-03-22 14:20:40 <KipIngram   > Like using a highly reliable storage medium, vs. an error prone one.
2023-03-22 14:21:30 <dlowe       > that's my excuse for learning Lojban from now on
2023-03-22 14:21:49 <dlowe       > it's not dead and lame, it's a niche long-term storage medium
2023-03-22 14:22:57 <Zarutian_iPad> plus trying to translate a text you wrote into lojban helps finding ambigiouties and such
2023-03-22 14:25:40 <thrig       > zu'i co'e fa'o
2023-03-22 14:34:50 <KipIngram   > Hmmm.  I wasn't familiar with lojban.  Interesting.  Does it ever get accused of being Newspeak in disguise?  :-)
2023-03-22 14:35:52 <thrig       > no, newspeak was rather political which lojban disclaims as being culturally neutral
2023-03-22 14:36:01 <thrig       > (lojban has internet nerd culture)
2023-03-22 14:36:27 <KipIngram   > Well, the feature I was talking about was that Newspeak supposedly made it impossible to even phrase "undesired communications."
2023-03-22 14:36:42 <KipIngram   > I've never really been sure how that would be accomplished.
2023-03-22 14:37:23 <KipIngram   > Always seemed to me that if you could say "I hate collard greens" and "I love Big Brother," you'd be able to say "I hate Big Brother."
2023-03-22 14:37:33 <KipIngram   > Even if it wasn't technically correct, the idea would get across.
2023-03-22 14:38:19 <KipIngram   > My first reaction is that such a logically precise language might have problems with expressing moving poetry and things like that.
2023-03-22 14:38:31 <KipIngram   > Where the ideas being communicated aren't really "literal."
2023-03-22 14:38:43 <KipIngram   > But it's still and interesting concept.
2023-03-22 14:39:04 <Zarutian_iPad> well you can be as deliberatly ambious as you like in lojban
2023-03-22 14:39:16 <thrig       > mabla bangu (shitty language)
2023-03-22 14:39:16 <KipIngram   > Also, part of Tolkien's whole goal with his language constructs was to capture how a people's history and culture "shaped" their language.
2023-03-22 14:41:18 <KipIngram   > Lojban doesn't use capital letters?
2023-03-22 14:41:25 <thrig       > na go'i
2023-03-22 14:41:29 <KipIngram   > Looking here: https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/uikipedi%27as:ralju
2023-03-22 14:42:12 <thrig       > you might see [A-Z] in some names, but usually no
2023-03-22 14:42:34 <Zarutian_iPad> 
ACTION rather likes the look and writing of the slrimorna orthography.

2023-03-22 14:45:04 <KipIngram   > Oh, btw - big news in Dresden Files land - the writer just finished the book he's most recently been working on (not a Dresden book) and now expects the next Dresden novel to go to his editors in 16-18 weeks.
2023-03-22 14:45:08 <KipIngram   > Yee haa...
2023-03-22 14:45:39 <KipIngram   > I'm looking forward to the one he just wrapped too - it's the second of a series called The Cinder Spires and the first one was quite good.
2023-03-22 14:45:58 <KipIngram   > And long - like 800 pages.
2023-03-22 14:46:25 <KipIngram   > If you happen to like cats, then you'll probably like Cinder Spires.
2023-03-22 14:47:32 <KipIngram   > My cat (one of them anyway) has incurred my wife's wrath at the moment - he tried to jump up onto the piano and didn't quite make it - he scratched the finish.  That is NOT a good way to stay on my wife's good side.
2023-03-22 14:48:03 <KipIngram   > It's a piano originally owned by her grandmother.
2023-03-22 14:55:16 <Zarutian_iPad> She is going to file that cats claws and put rubber tips on them?
2023-03-22 14:55:39 <Zarutian_iPad> it would be hillarious to see
2023-03-22 14:58:50 <thrig       > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg