2023-04-30 11:12:41 <KipIngram   > Just to show you what profound things I sit around and think about, I'm sitting here this morning wondering how anyone at Ivory Soap ever thought it was smart to make a whole marketing campaign around the fact that their soap floated.  Seeing as how all that means is that there's more air and less soap in the bar.
2023-04-30 11:13:12 <KipIngram   > Maybe if it's priced by weight it doesn't matter.
2023-04-30 11:15:22 <Zarutian_iPad> hmm? I ignore marketing quite effectively nowdays. Regarding soap I try to find the most off brand scentless and addative less soap I can find.
2023-04-30 11:15:40 <KipIngram   > Sure - this was a campaign I remember from my childhood.
2023-04-30 11:15:53 <KipIngram   > It was the only bar soap that floated, and they made a huge deal out of it.
2023-04-30 11:16:04 <KipIngram   > My understanding was that they made it by accident.
2023-04-30 11:16:28 <KipIngram   > I figure the goal was to try to make the bars look bigger, for a given amount of input product.
2023-04-30 11:17:20 <KipIngram   > And I guess that was bound to make it float eventually, but I don't think that was the "specific" goal.
2023-04-30 11:17:38 <KipIngram   > There may be some folklore mingled into that story, though.
2023-04-30 11:17:42 <Zarutian_iPad> so, a soap that is mostly hot air?
2023-04-30 11:17:59 <KipIngram   > I avoid marketing pretty much these days too, but back in the day TV commercials were hard to totally avoid.
2023-04-30 11:18:06 <KipIngram   > Yes, exactly - nice way of saying it.
2023-04-30 11:18:21 <thrig       > now with Hydrogen and Aluminium powder coating
2023-04-30 11:18:35 <KipIngram   > Once VCRs came along, you could at least fast forward through commercials.
2023-04-30 11:18:56 <Zarutian_iPad> the beuty of using on demand video and various adblockers is that telly ads are no longer concern for me
2023-04-30 11:19:32 <KipIngram   > And in the early days of DVR technology, a software package called MythTV came out that would let you roll your own DVR, and it offered a commercial recognition feature.  I guess you  might consider that a very primitive form of AI.
2023-04-30 11:19:42 <KipIngram   > Ideally it would just pass right over the commercials.
2023-04-30 11:19:58 <KipIngram   > But it had to scan for them, which took a while, and mark them, before it could do that.
2023-04-30 11:21:40 <KipIngram   > Before any of that, you learned to squeeze your bathroom trips into the fairly predictable commercial time slice.
2023-04-30 11:22:12 <KipIngram   > It was pretty standardized where they fell, in half-hour or hour TV shows.
2023-04-30 11:22:13 <Zarutian_iPad> but I have noticed that I watch less telly stuff nowdays. For instance, I am avid StarTrek fan and regularly rewatch episodes from TNG DS9 and Voyager. Quality stuff much better than the “woke” crap of Discovery (havent seen Picard yet so cant judge that)
2023-04-30 11:22:33 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I don't really watch contemporary TV either.
2023-04-30 11:22:54 <thrig       > youtube without an adblocker is something else. much like the penny arcade "brains with urgent appointments" comic
2023-04-30 11:23:05 <KipIngram   > I tend to re-watch old television series, or a short list of  movies I particularly like.
2023-04-30 11:23:17 <KipIngram   > I recently re-watched most of the Highlander series.
2023-04-30 11:23:35 <KipIngram   > And I'm thinking I may chase down Magnum PI.
2023-04-30 11:24:05 <KipIngram   > A little before that I did about four seasons of The X Files.
2023-04-30 11:24:17 <KipIngram   > First few seasons of that were pretty good, but then it all got kind of over the top.
2023-04-30 11:25:06 <KipIngram   > And while some series do a good job injecting the occasional comic relief episode (Supernatural did particularly well with that), The X Files didn't - its comic relief episodes were just pretty stupid.
2023-04-30 11:25:23 <KipIngram   > Somehow Supernatural managed to do it "with style."
2023-04-30 11:25:56 <KipIngram   > And I want to say Magnum did too, but I don't truly remember it that well.
2023-04-30 11:27:05 <Zarutian_iPad> I had been mulling over for a while how to define “woke” and I think I have it. You know there are two kind of activists (for whatever cause). One kind works towards making themselfs not needed (solving the problem etc) and the other kind is pretty much virtue signalling clout chasers that DO NOT want to make themselfs unnescisarily. The latter
2023-04-30 11:27:06 <Zarutian_iPad> kind and what they do is the “woke”.
2023-04-30 11:27:43 <KipIngram   > Yes, I think you're on the right track.  When the principle starts to take on its own significance.
2023-04-30 11:28:22 <KipIngram   > Instead of being directed toward specific "justness."
2023-04-30 11:28:24 <KipIngram   > Kind of a means and end sort of thing.
2023-04-30 11:28:50 <thrig       > "woke" is a thought-stopper used by some to engage spittle mode
2023-04-30 11:28:50 <KipIngram   > It's also one of those things that might be hard to define, but "you know it when you see it."
2023-04-30 11:28:52 <Zarutian_iPad> This latter kind often try to inject their “cause” into fora where it is not topical meant forum moderators like I was had to intervene.
2023-04-30 11:29:13 <KipIngram   > Yes, I have to do that sometimes too in the moderating I do.
2023-04-30 11:29:14 <Zarutian_iPad> anyway I will be back later
2023-04-30 11:30:09 <KipIngram   > So I've been on a "hardboiled detective" fiction kick lately.
2023-04-30 11:30:24 <KipIngram   > Re-read several of the Spenser novels, but only like four of them.
2023-04-30 11:31:06 <KipIngram   > I started that series a few years ago and made it to abouve seven; it starts out quite good, but it gets a little too in your face after a while around "the code" Spenser lives by.  Gets kind of preachy.
2023-04-30 11:31:35 <KipIngram   > So I was still hungry when I started to run into that stuff again; now I've shifted gears and have read the first two Phillip Marlowe books, and those have been quite good.
2023-04-30 11:32:56 <KipIngram   > Raymond Chandler - he wrote seven of those, and had an eighth underway when he died.  Nigh on 30 years later Robert B.  Parker (who created Spenser) finished that one and wrote an additional one.  Then there were three more written over the next 30 years or so by other writers.
2023-04-30 11:33:30 <KipIngram   > These early ones were written starting right after world war II and have some racial language you wouldn't find in books written later.
2023-04-30 11:37:28 <KipIngram   > I'm not at all in favor of going back and "cleansing" such things - I think they're historical artifacts and they shouldn't be erased.  We need to keep our memories of those times.
2023-04-30 11:37:36 <KipIngram   > They actually did happen.