2023-07-03 09:40:12 <veltas      > Looks like Canadian Uni of Waterloo languages Eh and Zed were based on B, and they enforced naming conventions: Externals / locals
2023-07-03 09:40:24 <veltas      > And were for running on a system called THOTH, I kid you not
2023-07-03 09:54:37 <KipIngram   > I felt like Waterloo always had a pretty good hand in the game.
2023-07-03 10:04:58 <thrig       > not for Napoleon
2023-07-03 10:15:02 <KipIngram   > It'd be interesting to review the historical student roster for U of Waterloo and see if any / how many students that ever went there were named Napolean.  I think if my name was Napolean I'd... wonder if going there was a wise move.
2023-07-03 11:03:57 <thrig       > ah yes, I see here the computer has assigned you to our branch on Elba
2023-07-03 12:08:55 <veltas      > Someone keeping up with this? crc? https://libera.chat/news/matrix-deportalling
2023-07-03 12:11:39 <veltas      > I visited Dover castle recently, it turns out that during the wars Napolean's armies were practicing marching across the channel, and Brits were spying on them from the castle with telescopes.
2023-07-03 12:31:37 <crc         > veltas: that's the first I've seen on this, I'll look into it
2023-07-03 12:32:32 <veltas      > I don't know what Matrix is but I've heard people talk about it on here :)
2023-07-03 12:32:48 <veltas      > (don't tell me I don't want to know :P)
2023-07-03 12:35:30 <veltas      > I just linked it because there is some advice for channel owners
2023-07-03 12:46:44 <thrig       > the matrix has you
2023-07-03 12:53:53 <KipIngram   > What does that matrix deportalling thing mean to us?
2023-07-03 12:54:46 <thrig       > xkcd://566
2023-07-03 13:11:28 <crc         > KipIngram: some users may disappear. I think matrix users have a [m] appended to their nick by default; I've not seen any of these recently.
2023-07-03 13:16:06 <thrig       > [n][m] would obviously become ⁿₘ
2023-07-03 14:15:24 <KipIngram   > I see.  So I wouldn't expect to see anything at all?
2023-07-03 14:15:33 <KipIngram   > I like it here - wouldn't want to get excised.  :-)
2023-07-03 14:15:57 <KipIngram   > Well, I finished the last available Harmony Black book.  So that's it - I've read the whole thing.  :-(
2023-07-03 14:16:07 <KipIngram   > Now I have to wait for the new books hopefully coming soon.
2023-07-03 14:16:42 <KipIngram   > That last one (Black Tie Required) was particularly good.
2023-07-03 14:23:02 <thrig       > if you're getting exorcised you probably have other problems
2023-07-03 14:34:52 <crc         > KipIngram: it shouldn't affect you at all.
2023-07-03 14:34:58 <crc         > I'm going to review my connect/part logs to see if they show anyone using the matrix bridge recently; if they do, I'll work on making sure they can continue to connect.
2023-07-03 16:31:06 <veltas      > I'm connecting via this weird text chat protocol from the 90's
2023-07-03 16:55:01 <thrig       > so basically the same age as the web
2023-07-03 16:55:13 <KipIngram   > I'm using weechat-curses, running on a virtual Linux box that I rent, and I connect to that using mosh from my notebook.  So it's always on, and with  mosh my notebook session behaves as though it's local, except it doesn't lose anything when the computer is asleep.
2023-07-03 16:55:20 <KipIngram   > mosh rocks.
2023-07-03 17:09:26 <MrMobius    > KipIngram: how much do you pay in rent for that?
2023-07-03 17:10:11 <crc         > mosh is extremely useful
2023-07-03 17:16:06 <remexre     > MrMobius: I wasn't the one asked, but I pay about $3/mo each for smallish ARM boxes on AWS; Vultr charges $2.50/mo for even-smaller x86_64 boxes, which I've used in the past
2023-07-03 17:16:57 <MrMobius    > remexre: neat. I pay $6 a month for irccloud. I used to leave an old laptop on with linux and remote in from my phone or laptop
2023-07-03 17:17:36 <MrMobius    > remexre: what do you get for $3 and does it go up base on usage?
2023-07-03 17:18:23 <remexre     > 2 vCPUs, 512MB RAM, gigabit (I think?)
2023-07-03 17:18:51 <remexre     > I prepay for the year for a bunch of stuff, so mine isn't usage-based
2023-07-03 17:22:34 <remexre     > I am paying for network traffic on a month-to-month basis, I suppose; looks like that was $4.33 for the last month, but that's spread across several machines, some of which actually run services, so not just IRC :)
2023-07-03 17:35:07 <thrig       > breaking the bank there
2023-07-03 17:50:25 <KipIngram   > MrMobius: My credit card just gets charged once a year.
2023-07-03 17:50:50 <KipIngram   > crc: I regard mosh as one of the most useful "simple tools" in circulation.
2023-07-03 17:51:01 <KipIngram   > What a PAIN it would be to always be having to log back in.
2023-07-03 17:51:40 <KipIngram   > At work I sometimes have windows here and there on half a dozen or more systems.  I get it all set up, and it just... persists.
2023-07-03 17:53:19 <KipIngram   > It's "multi-dimensional" - I'll have my console split into six or eight small windows (ctrl-O will zoom one of them to full screen), and in each one of I'll have screen or tmux running with half a dozen or so sessions.
2023-07-03 17:53:47 <KipIngram   > After a little while you just memorize it and know exactly how to get anywhere, with a few key taps.
2023-07-03 17:55:18 <KipIngram   > And for systems I don't stay actively connected to all the time, I've got 'em rigged with scripts and passphrase-less ssh keys so that I just type a little short script name (usually the name of the server) and it will connect me to a screen or tmux session on that box.
2023-07-03 17:55:30 <KipIngram   > then ctrl-A D detaches and drops me back out.
2023-07-03 17:59:38 <crc         > I don't split my console, but that's mostly because I use small displays (mainly ~11" or ~6.8").
2023-07-03 18:05:58 <KipIngram   > Mine's 13, I do split it fairly heavily, but I also make heavy use of that ctrl-O zooming.
2023-07-03 18:06:43 <KipIngram   > My IRC window, though, I don't zoom - I always set it to 80 column, 25-line size, for "sentimental reasons" going back to those old IBM PC green screen monitors.
2023-07-03 18:12:49 <crc         > I size my displays at 75x20 most of the time
2023-07-03 18:22:12 <MrMobius    > crc, interesting. why do you like the small screens?
2023-07-03 18:24:11 <crc         > Two factors: it's what I grew used to when I started with computers, and they're more portable (I do most of my work either under Termux on an Android phone or iSH on an iPad).
2023-07-03 18:26:41 <crc         > I like larger screens too, but don't have a single point where I can set up something bigger for long term.
2023-07-03 18:28:06 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I'd love to have a big monitor, or a pair of them, but it's been a long time since I did any serious desktop format work.
2023-07-03 18:28:36 <KipIngram   > I used to enjoy building my on systems, but can't really do that with notebooks.
2023-07-03 18:28:51 <KipIngram   > You'd think someone would fill that niche.
2023-07-03 19:17:24 <thrig       > ... but lots of folks have laptops, and nowhere to put embiggened monitors ...
2023-07-03 19:51:06 <KipIngram   > Well, those were two separate thoughts - the niche I was referring to is just "notebook from components."
2023-07-03 20:02:26 <thrig       > there's the framework laptop, which is an effort in that direction
2023-07-03 20:24:45 <KipIngram   > Yeah, that does look interesting, though it's not the "wide open" market I'd really like to see, where I have a selection of vendors for the various pieces and can mix and match.
2023-07-03 20:25:41 <KipIngram   > I'd like to see an open standard, where all the different vendors can conform "just enough" to ensure that the pieces all go together.
2023-07-03 22:04:57 <KipIngram   > Just as an example, I'd like to be able to add a quarter inch of thickness to a notebook and fill that quarter inch layer up with additional batteries.  Being locked in to just one or two battery capacities sucks.  My "standard" for this is to be able to grab my computer off the charger in the morning, head out and do anything I want to with it all day long, and have it have enough battery capacity to do
2023-07-03 22:04:58 <KipIngram   > that.
2023-07-03 22:07:03 <KipIngram   > With my work Mac, I can carry it to the office and do the things my job calls for for a workday.  That's a nice "second best" position.  But it's not up to what I described first there.
2023-07-03 22:19:57 <remexre     > I'm kinda hoping for a lower-power (like, phone-tier) Framework mainboard for that
2023-07-03 22:20:42 <remexre     > that being multi-day battery life, that is
2023-07-03 22:48:46 <KipIngram   > Yeah, the breakthrough we need is some kind of low-power display tech.  As it is, even a willingness to dial your performance way down doesn't do you a lot of good, because just making the screen visible burns significant power.
2023-07-03 22:49:22 <thrig       > something something eink
2023-07-03 22:50:00 <KipIngram   > Yeah, if they could get the update speed up enough.
2023-07-03 22:50:14 <KipIngram   > And get it so you can update only the part of the image you want to change.
2023-07-03 22:50:26 <remexre     > they've already got the latter afaik
2023-07-03 22:50:33 <KipIngram   > Some einks will let you do that, but only a few times - after a while you have to do the whole display.
2023-07-03 22:50:38 <thrig       > maybe a separate bar for input?
2023-07-03 22:51:01 <KipIngram   > That could work, but I bet the market for it wouldn't be that big.
2023-07-03 22:51:17 <KipIngram   > I've always felt like I'm more willing to "compromise with my hardware" than most people see to be.
2023-07-03 22:52:01 <KipIngram   > Like Grafitti.  That was a great man/machine compromise.
2023-07-03 22:52:35 <KipIngram   > It wasn't very hard to learn it, and it gave you a way to put text into the thing that was "deterministic."  Easy for the hardware to interpret.
2023-07-03 22:53:38 <KipIngram   > Such a simple idea - just redesign the alphabet so every letter is a single continuous stroke.  Down, move, up - every lift up gets you a finished character.
2023-07-03 22:54:38 <thrig       > in theory written language should follow the input method (you get different methods for paper vs clay)
2023-07-03 22:55:13 <KipIngram   > That's kind of what this was - a form that the hardware could easily interpret.
2023-07-03 22:56:01 <KipIngram   > On the other hand, consider a capital H.  You draw the vertical stroke on the left and... what then?  Are you done, and that was an I?  Or is there more to come?  Harder to suss that out.
2023-07-03 23:02:06 <KipIngram   > Hey, here's a good article on the Faust book-verse:
2023-07-03 23:02:07 <KipIngram   > https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/DanielFaust
2023-07-03 23:02:47 <KipIngram   > MrMobius, I just realized that you didn't ask me HOW I paid for my virtual server - you asked HOW MUCH.  I'll have to check - I just automated when I set it up and I don't really remember.
2023-07-03 23:16:22 <KipIngram   > You sure wouldn't want to read that whole article I just linked before reading the books.
2023-07-03 23:16:37 <KipIngram   > It's so full of spoilers you probably couldn't miss one with a dart.