2023-07-08 12:59:45 <veltas      > I'm just absolutely checked out
2023-07-08 13:00:16 <veltas      > To the extent you'd need a seasoned perforce greybeard to make me submit
2023-07-08 13:00:52 <veltas      > Trying out free Oracle VM thing, I'm sure I'll regret it!
2023-07-08 13:16:42 <KipIngram   > It seems fine to me so far.  I haven't really "done" anything with it yet, though.  Just got it all set up to my liking.
2023-07-08 13:21:15 <veltas      > Apparently if it doesn't have activity above a certain metric they'll disable it
2023-07-08 13:21:48 <veltas      > I've heard that in this situation oracle support can move it to pay-as-you-go where it's still free you just get charged for extra usage differently? Not sure.
2023-07-08 13:32:49 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I saw such documentation.  Well, I can always make sure it does *something*.  Guess I need to research that a little.
2023-07-08 13:57:22 <MrMobius    > Was so you get penalized for not using enough energy rather than using too much?
2023-07-08 13:57:43 <MrMobius    > Seems like people would be mining Bitcoin or something if it's really free
2023-07-08 13:59:30 <veltas      > You wouldn't earn very much of any coin with the free compute resources and you'd almost certainly get banned because your usage would be suspicious
2023-07-08 13:59:43 <veltas      > I think it's meant for web servers, so constant 100% activity would probably be abuse
2023-07-08 14:00:07 <veltas      > You might think it's unfair to interpret it as abuse but on the other hand it *is* free...
2023-07-08 14:00:18 <veltas      > They can pretty much treat free customers how they want
2023-07-08 14:00:23 <veltas      > I'm hoping to get a happy medium
2023-07-08 14:03:15 <KipIngram   > Sure, they get to run it anyway they want.
2023-07-08 14:03:53 <KipIngram   > I could move my IRC hookup over there.
2023-07-08 14:04:05 <veltas      > That's basically what I'm doing right now
2023-07-08 14:04:22 <KipIngram   > Then it would at least be catching activity on my channels even when I wasn't paying attention.
2023-07-08 14:04:33 <veltas      > I mean I pay £70 a year for a digital ocean server. That was a good deal back in the day, but clearly I can choose a much more economical option
2023-07-08 14:07:38 <veltas      > What I should really do is put a very simple web server on it, as I've been planning to for ages. Might help make activity more 'normal'
2023-07-08 14:12:05 <MrMobius    > No complaint from me if they want to limit people
2023-07-08 14:14:02 <MrMobius    > I pay about $0.75 cents a month for AWS and another $70 a year for irccloud so I don't miss any IRC stuff when I'm logged out
2023-07-08 14:14:12 <KipIngram   > Hmmm.  Well, weechat is installed, and I rsync-ed my .weechat directory over there too.
2023-07-08 14:14:25 <MrMobius    > It's awesome. Works ob my phone too. Better than RDP into home machine from phone for irc
2023-07-08 14:14:30 <KipIngram   > But it's not doing all the intialization stuff that it does on this system.
2023-07-08 14:14:45 <KipIngram   > When I start weechat-curses, I mean.  Wonder what I'm missing.
2023-07-08 14:19:38 <KipIngram   > MrMobius: I don't miss anything either; that's the whole point of running weechat on an always up system.
2023-07-08 14:19:56 <KipIngram   > I run it in a screen session and connect with mosh from my notebook.
2023-07-08 14:20:09 <KipIngram   > And it's console.  :-)
2023-07-08 14:20:34 <MrMobius    > Right. Just saying your own always up system is not the only way to do that
2023-07-08 14:20:39 <KipIngram   > I just expected that if I moved my .weechat conf directory over it would "just work," but apparently not.
2023-07-08 14:20:47 <KipIngram   > Yes.
2023-07-08 14:25:52 <MrMobius    > That's a bummer :/
2023-07-08 14:35:33 <veltas      > MrMobius: IRCcloud looks good
2023-07-08 14:35:57 <veltas      > What do you do with AWS?
2023-07-08 14:37:18 <MrMobius    > veltas: serve my small static site and upload backups every night
2023-07-08 14:37:35 <veltas      > Nice
2023-07-08 18:16:59 <Zarutian_iPad> 
ACTION just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpG8rgI7Hec and is looking at https://github.com/jefftranter/6502/blob/master/asm/wozmon/wozmon.s and https://gist.github.com/beneater/8136c8b7f2fd95ccdd4562a498758217

2023-07-08 18:18:00 <Zarutian_iPad> I am trying to figgure what "0400: xx xx xx R" would do
2023-07-08 18:18:52 <Zarutian_iPad> does it run the program starting at 0400 or just not work?
2023-07-08 18:27:31 <Zarutian_iPad> so, a STOR command is needed on its own line then 0400 R on the next line
2023-07-08 19:00:00 <KipIngram   > Just out of curiosity, Zarutian_iPad, do you have specific plans for all this 6502 interest?
2023-07-08 19:02:28 <Zarutian_iPad> no just curious how the hell woz stuffed this much functionality in just 248 bytes
2023-07-08 19:02:50 <thrig       > by being the woz
2023-07-08 19:10:06 <KipIngram   > Was it entirely standalone, or did it harness other stuff in the machine?
2023-07-08 19:10:25 <KipIngram   > Could you run with nothing but those 248 bytes programmed?
2023-07-08 19:10:58 <Zarutian_iPad> stand alone as far as I can tell
2023-07-08 19:11:09 <KipIngram   > That's... not very many bytes.
2023-07-08 19:11:58 <Zarutian_iPad> it is the monitor program that is in the rom in Apple 1
2023-07-08 19:12:54 <KipIngram   > Yeah, I gleaned that from watching the first couple of minutes of your first link.
2023-07-08 19:13:23 <KipIngram   > I was impressed with sectorForth, but this cuts that in half.
2023-07-08 19:16:28 <Zarutian_iPad> now I am wondering if he used 7400 series octal or hexdec decoders to get selection lines and 7400 series priority encoder to get the 8 bit data out
2023-07-08 19:17:58 <KipIngram   > I'm still impressed with this guy:
2023-07-08 19:18:00 <KipIngram   > https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nRF52832_PS_v1.8.pdf
2023-07-08 19:18:05 <KipIngram   > which can be had for $10.
2023-07-08 19:18:17 <Zarutian_iPad> what I am describing is how often roms were designed
2023-07-08 19:18:20 <KipIngram   > 64kB RAM, 512kB flash.
2023-07-08 19:18:58 <KipIngram   > Bluetooth, multi channel A/D, 32 bits of general I/O.  Nice collection of features.
2023-07-08 19:19:19 <KipIngram   > Seems like it could be a really good basis for a "general project controller."
2023-07-08 19:20:24 <Zarutian_iPad> what sort of A/D? fast freeze or deltasigma driven counters?
2023-07-08 19:21:16 <MrMobius    > Zarutian_iPad: you mean 7400 logic to get io?
2023-07-08 19:21:16 <KipIngram   > Not sure - it's described as 12-bit 200 ksp.  8 channels.
2023-07-08 19:23:20 <KipIngram   > What I've thought would be interesting, for radio-enabled gadgets like that, is to program them to "find each other" when you had more than one of them on at a time and form up a mesh network dynamically.
2023-07-08 19:23:27 <Zarutian_iPad> oh? PPI is a feature I wished ATMEL and Microchip chips had if it is what I think it is
2023-07-08 19:23:38 <KipIngram   > Then from whatever "console" you used you could work with a whole network of them, handling different tasks.
2023-07-08 19:24:46 <Zarutian_iPad> hmm the package variants are bit of a pain in the arse for hand soldiering
2023-07-08 19:25:22 <KipIngram   > Yeah.  I've had good luck (a long time ago) doing surface mount reflow soldering with a toaster oven.
2023-07-08 19:25:32 <KipIngram   > I used to do that for client prototypes when I was consulting.
2023-07-08 19:26:01 <Zarutian_iPad> MrMobius: think ROM but wire warp style. Quite handy for prototyping
2023-07-08 19:27:26 <Zarutian_iPad> doesnt adafruit or PCBway provide handy qfn to qip or dip pcb adapters?
2023-07-08 19:29:51 <KipIngram   > You'd think someone would.
2023-07-08 19:30:47 <KipIngram   > Anyway, had that tab open in my browser for a while.
2023-07-08 19:40:54 <Zarutian_iPad> MrMobius: or 256 of these https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cts-electrocomponents/210-8LPS/2602161 plus 2048 pcs 1N4007 or other cheap rectifier diodes and the aforesaid decoders to make an hand editable ROM
2023-07-08 21:44:36 <Zarutian_iPad> actually after staring at wozmon.s I think "0400:A94820EFFFA96920EFFFA92120EFFF4C00FF R" should work with https://gist.github.com/beneater/8136c8b7f2fd95ccdd4562a498758217
2023-07-08 21:46:48 <Zarutian_iPad> as XAML and XAMH do not increment in STOR mode