2023-07-10 08:16:00 <veltas      > So far so good on Oracle Cloud...
2023-07-10 08:16:30 <veltas      > I suppose I'll find out how good it is if it still works in 6 months
2023-07-10 08:17:07 <veltas      > But I think I'll cancel digital ocean already, if this doesn't work out then there are multiple other free providers, or at least cheaper providers
2023-07-10 08:47:30 <KipIngram   > Yeah, if I get it running all the necessary stuff I'll likely do the same.
2023-07-10 09:31:31 <thrig       > race to the bottom!
2023-07-10 11:47:47 <MrMobius    > Linode is pretty cool. I tested it out for a week or so. Price was competitive w digital ocean at the time
2023-07-10 12:41:04 <crc         > I've been using linode for a long time (since feb. 2010)
2023-07-10 12:43:53 <veltas      > I quite liked Digital Ocean, I've only left because the Oracle Cloud is literally free
2023-07-10 12:45:09 <veltas      > And in this economy I can't pass that up
2023-07-10 13:09:07 <crc         > does oracle allow for custom os images?
2023-07-10 13:48:38 <KipIngram   > I want to say yes, I saw indications of that while setting my stuff up.  I just selected Rocky 9 out of their list of options, but I think the word "custom" appeared in all that too.
2023-07-10 13:48:46 <KipIngram   > It wasn't what I was interested in, so I didn't dig into it.
2023-07-10 13:49:05 <KipIngram   > I've got Rocky 9 on one of my stands at work and I like it, so it suited me fine.
2023-07-10 13:55:53 <crc         > It's been some years since I actually dealt with using Linux (apart from ter
2023-07-10 13:55:59 <crc         > termux on my phone)
2023-07-10 13:57:03 <crc         > I'm not sure if it's worth the time to look at a bunch of distros & learn to admin a third system (I'm using openbsd & freebsd for most of my remote systems).
2023-07-10 13:57:19 <thrig       > it took four linux distros to find something that I could mostly wire up to a synthesizer. wifi is still broken
2023-07-10 13:58:49 <crc         > The last linux server I configured is running ubuntu 14.04.6
2023-07-10 14:28:54 <KipIngram   > I've used a number of them - Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, Rocky.  I've never had any particular difficulty (not since much earlier days, at least), but on the other hand I'm not usually trying to get any exotic hardware running.
2023-07-10 14:53:40 <veltas      > crc: My concern there would be lack of security updates
2023-07-10 14:55:57 <veltas      > Yeah there was an option for custom images
2023-07-10 15:37:57 <crc         > On that system the lack of security updates is not a serious issue; it's running on our LAN, isolated from the internet.
2023-07-10 15:38:34 <thrig       > a lot of attacks have been traced back to a printer somewhere
2023-07-10 15:39:31 <crc         > Shell access is limited to a single user (me) via SSH, with key only.
2023-07-10 15:41:36 <crc         > Otherwise there is an HTTP server on it, but this can only be accessed from specific machines in house, and I have a set of scripts that run hourly audits on the logs to look for anything unusual.
2023-07-10 15:42:03 <crc         > Hasn't had any problems in the last 1084 days since the last restart.
2023-07-10 15:44:07 <crc         > (I do plan to move this to a current FreeBSD system later this year, but it hasn't been a high priority)
2023-07-10 16:07:01 <veltas      > Sounds reasonable to me
2023-07-10 16:28:04 <gordonjcp   > thrig: are you using Linux in the 1990s or something?
2023-07-10 16:29:36 <Riviera     > wait
2023-07-10 16:29:41 <Riviera     > thrig's got a time machine? :)
2023-07-10 16:30:11 <thrig       > 2023! Debian 12 installed itself over wifi then restored to RF-Kills for the OS boot (and didn't install any network debugging tools)
2023-07-10 16:30:45 <thrig       > herp derp frankenstein os spin the distro wheel and try another
2023-07-10 16:32:47 <veltas      > Oh dear
2023-07-10 16:33:10 <veltas      > I used to be able to recommend Linux distros but it feels like there aren't any good choices anymore
2023-07-10 16:33:40 <thrig       > alpine linux was good, but then I'd have to compile LMMS on it on an ancient clunker laptop
2023-07-10 16:33:52 <veltas      > I use Debian sid and Arch Linux with about a 50% random probability
2023-07-10 16:34:12 <veltas      > I actually used to use Ubuntu but that has just gotten harder and harder to maintain over the years
2023-07-10 16:44:17 <veltas      > I installed Debian 3 not too many years ago on an old 98-era machine, you know the installer menu use to actually be *more* friendly?
2023-07-10 16:44:22 <veltas      > used*
2023-07-10 16:46:20 <veltas      > Debian Woody, or maybe it was Slink I used? Can't remember. I just remember the installer was way more user friendly
2023-07-10 16:47:09 <veltas      > Likewise Arch Linux when I first used it was far friendlier. The had an automated script, and then they had the beginner's guide, and now they've got barely any info in the beginner's guide.
2023-07-10 20:44:02 <KipIngram   > Well, I realized there were a few more Craig Schaefer books I hadn't read yet; read one yesterday and today called "Ghosts of Gotham" that was quite good.
2023-07-10 21:25:47 <drakonis    > veltas: arch has an automated install script once again
2023-07-10 21:40:24 <MrMobius    > legitimy curious - why arch of there than bragging points?
2023-07-10 21:40:37 <MrMobius    > of there = other