2024-06-07 03:36:30 <KipIngram   > veltas: Ok.  I never really worked much with them - I usually wound up doing my number conversion in a different way.
2024-06-07 03:37:04 <KipIngram   > I guess now that I think about it it would have to - you really can't do it the other way, can you?
2024-06-07 03:38:57 <KipIngram   > Still thinking about chess engines.  It would be fun to try a neural network approach.  You can represent a chessboard in just a few cells - it's well-structured to serve as the input to the first layer of a net.
2024-06-07 03:41:10 <KipIngram   > I think I might use four cells - 64 nibbles - and each nibble would describe the piece sitting on the particular square.
2024-06-07 03:41:43 <KipIngram   > There are only 13 states a cell can be in - empty, or white or black pawn, king, queen, rook, knight, bishop.
2024-06-07 03:52:14 <thrig       > kicking your opponent under the table isn't unknown
2024-06-07 09:15:34 <veltas      > KipIngram: To start from other direction you'd need log I guess
2024-06-07 09:16:04 <veltas      > But yeah and then it wouldn't let you say '3+ digits'
2024-06-07 15:10:21 <dlowe       > KipIngram: Let me instroduce you to chess 960 :)
2024-06-07 15:10:36 <dlowe       > aka freestyle chess aka fischer chess
2024-06-07 15:31:29 <olle        > Damn, how do I know if the USB to serial port is working?
2024-06-07 15:31:43 <olle        > echo "W\r" > /dev/ttyUSB0 should be enough??
2024-06-07 15:32:23 <olle        > echo -e that is
2024-06-07 15:38:48 <zelgomer    > olle: put a jumper between tx and rx and then use "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 <baud>" and see whether what you type is echoed back
2024-06-07 15:39:22 <olle        > zelgomer: includes soldering?
2024-06-07 15:39:38 <zelgomer    > no
2024-06-07 15:40:04 <zelgomer    > well, it might. i don't know what hardware you have sitting in front of you.
2024-06-07 15:41:11 <olle        > It's a scale with a serial port, and a USB-to-serial converter to my Ubuntu machine.
2024-06-07 15:41:27 <olle        > [532975.365638] usb 1-2: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
2024-06-07 15:41:32 <olle        > from dmesg, looks ok?
2024-06-07 15:41:35 <olle        > Hm hm
2024-06-07 15:42:31 <zelgomer    > so you have a de-9 connector?
2024-06-07 15:44:07 <olle        > Yep
2024-06-07 15:44:14 <zelgomer    > do you have a female de-9 connector laying around?
2024-06-07 15:44:15 <olle        > Damn thing has 26 different protocols to try out... ><
2024-06-07 15:44:34 <olle        > zelgomer: No, nothing here. But I can buy if needed.
2024-06-07 15:45:03 <zelgomer    > does your usb-to-serial converter have tx and rx leds?
2024-06-07 15:45:32 <olle        > LED light? Afraid not.
2024-06-07 15:46:09 <olle        > That would be nice, to see if the scale is sending anything at all, at least.
2024-06-07 15:46:36 <GeDaMo      > https://components101.com/modules/pl2303-usb-to-ttl-serial-converter-module ?
2024-06-07 15:48:40 <GeDaMo      > That one looks like it has RX/TX LEDs
2024-06-07 15:49:01 <olle        > GeDaMo: nice, but does it fit into female de-9?
2024-06-07 15:49:20 <GeDaMo      > Is that not the one you have?
2024-06-07 15:49:54 <olle        > It is, sure
2024-06-07 15:50:54 <GeDaMo      > Do the lights blink when you send data to it?
2024-06-07 15:51:28 <olle        > Oh sorry, misunderstood. I have just a cable from DE-9 to USB, no lights.
2024-06-07 15:51:29 <olle        > https://www.amazon.de/-/en/XICOOLEE-Windows-Connector-Indicators-Compatible/dp/B0C8RJ722Z/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2Q8AF2EUYFXGH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0tFV1I7J8jxamJ-70_O-cbpNNxMUyIW7dvLZ6hH0BLLTrmAJX9AxUmM2KfL_t1YnK8oupJOSJseoLb8E95_DguS_pMdoQtKI3I-7paneuuNaOI3XMvIbwHwrm8QKYKvbXUisqnAkBQV3WDddaCWL6Y2HzNfsjeRx28r-maAupGLrRSNjnK6PQ1C6vt1ajFYbs1Cfp7RP6uTTZR69egGrH_WibFvMAa5dRSaZzhZyI0g.5hpaaFQeODHp4UAG1r8896d0HdnQhOFa52N533O
2024-06-07 15:51:35 <olle        > X8CM&dib_tag=se&keywords=PL2303+UART+Module&qid=1717768205&sprefix=pl2303+uart+module%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-1
2024-06-07 15:51:38 <olle        > Ah crap
2024-06-07 15:51:51 <olle        > https://www.amazon.de/-/en/XICOOLEE-Windows-Connector-Indicators-Compatible/dp/B0C8RJ722Z
2024-06-07 15:52:18 <GeDaMo      > That one also appears to have LEDs "TXD RXD Indicators"
2024-06-07 15:52:41 <GeDaMo      > They're even marked on the board
2024-06-07 15:54:43 <olle        > Yea
2024-06-07 16:00:08 <olle        > https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B09PYQL5J6?psc=1&smid=A1SUSVKN2N7NX6 - ordered this one, because it had faster delivery
2024-06-07 16:09:26 <olle        > Eyyy I got "IR^M" back now! After echo -ne "\x02" > /dev/ttyUSB0
2024-06-07 16:37:08 <zelgomer    > how did you read it?
2024-06-07 16:40:34 <olle        > zelgomer: cat -v < /dev/ttyUSB0
2024-06-07 16:41:03 <zelgomer    > i see. if you're going to use cat, no need to use file redirection
2024-06-07 16:43:09 <zelgomer    > i mean, it doesn't hurt anything in this case, of course. just pointing it out because i like to be reminded when i do redundant things :)
2024-06-07 16:52:39 <olle        > Right :)
2024-06-07 16:52:50 <olle        > Got it working from browser now too. Sorry, no Forth implementation :(
2024-06-07 16:56:32 <zelgomer    > then go back to your closet and don't come out until i can enter "1 2 + ." and see " 3 ok"
2024-06-07 16:57:05 <olle        > Heck ye
2024-06-07 18:02:35 <KipIngram   > I ran across an old WiFi/Bluetooth game controller when I was rummaging around the other day.  SteelSeries Stratus Duo.  I thought it might be fun to charge it up and see if I could talk to it from my notebook.
2024-06-07 18:05:23 <KipIngram   > Not sure exactly what a "nice" Forth interface to a controller would be, but it might be fun to tinker with.
2024-06-07 19:52:28 <lf94        > Has anyone used any *working* LLVM Forth compiler?