2024-11-17 13:08:26 <lilo_booter > i'm just putting toghether some example code in gforth as part of presentation about stack based languages - trying to clean up a larger script so that it looks a bit sane :) - starting with https://pastebin.com/arf7cssX (tagged as C to get some syntax coloring)
2024-11-17 13:09:10 <lilo_booter > is this a reasonable way to layout the code? is it reinventing wheels?
2024-11-17 13:15:09 <dave0       > lilo_booter: it looks nice!
2024-11-17 13:15:22 <lilo_booter > cool :) thanks
2024-11-17 13:15:27 <dave0       > lilo_booter: you could do a little ascii art with that :-)
2024-11-17 13:15:59 <lilo_booter > indeed :) - that's what the rest does - well, sorta - lines, circles, plots points of equations and stuff
2024-11-17 13:16:13 <lilo_booter > i call it plotify
2024-11-17 13:19:07 <dave0       > nice :-)
2024-11-17 15:21:57 <lilo_booter > still work in progress - https://pastebin.com/9jqk1Vz3 - still need to fix my implentation of bresenham's line drawing algorithm (so points are plotted only at the moment), xy-circle and i need to ensure we only plot if the coords are actually part of the presentation
2024-11-17 15:27:32 <lilo_booter > examples of use at end of file should also move to top i guess - any/all suggestions/criticisms/derision welcome :)
2024-11-17 15:58:12 <xentrac     > lilo_booter: nice!
2024-11-17 15:59:15 <xentrac     > a thing to keep in mind is that the '[' thing was only added to standard Forth very recently, like 15 years ago, so there are a lot of nominally standard Forths that don't support it
2024-11-17 16:00:48 <xentrac     > also I don't think you're using Bresenham's algorithm
2024-11-17 16:20:52 <lilo_booter > thanks :) - and yeah, i didn't include my implementation of that algorithm in what i dumped there (on account of what i have being as hokey as hell :)) - don't feel like do the refactoring necessary to do that today - maybe some time during the week if i can be arsed
2024-11-17 16:22:29 <lilo_booter > ah - the '[' being the character on the stack - gotcha - okidoke - will keep that in mind for a later clean up
2024-11-17 20:50:54 <zelgomer    > guys. is there actually a good reason for me to use forth, or do i only like it for the hipster appeal?
2024-11-17 20:52:55 <thrig       > outlook good
2024-11-17 21:03:31 <lilo_booter > zelgomer: well, i don't use forth directly for professional reasons, but i do use stack evaluation and forth like grammars pretty much everywhere (i work in the field of video and audio processing) so i'd say it's worth understanding at some level at least - has worked well for me at least :)
2024-11-17 21:05:40 <zelgomer    > i think it's safe to say i understand it
2024-11-17 21:08:23 <lilo_booter > so do you normally find it appealing to hipsters? :)
2024-11-17 21:09:17 <zelgomer    > well i don't know anybody in person who has ever even heard of it, so maybe?
2024-11-17 21:09:39 <zelgomer    > i think my problem is i need a realy hobby
2024-11-17 21:09:59 <thrig       > stamp collecting?
2024-11-17 21:10:55 <zelgomer    > maybe!
2024-11-17 21:19:05 <zelgomer    > actually here's my problem
2024-11-17 21:19:24 <zelgomer    > i really don't want to be in the compiler business
2024-11-17 21:19:44 <zelgomer    > i'm only here because i hate the tools that are available
2024-11-17 21:20:19 <zelgomer    > somebody help me get over that please
2024-11-17 21:20:58 <thrig       > someone else is unlikely to write tools tailored to what you want?
2024-11-17 21:37:51 <zelgomer    > i'm not sure what you're asking
2024-11-17 22:22:58 <veltas      > My perspective on Forth oscillates between a hobby/interest, and some kind of personality disorder
2024-11-17 22:23:31 <zelgomer    > yes, it very much feels like a personality disorder
2024-11-17 22:24:04 <veltas      > As for whether there's a good reason, the question is what your goal is, because rarely is 'Forth' the goal itself
2024-11-17 22:26:58 <veltas      > All hobbies have the potential to be unhealthy, it's good to strike a balance with however you're going to waste your time
2024-11-17 22:27:59 <veltas      > Have you played with TinyCC?
2024-11-17 22:28:30 <zelgomer    > i looked at the code once and had to avert my eyes when i started smelling smoke
2024-11-17 22:31:22 <veltas      > A good question to think about is: hypothetically, if you had an ideal programming language and environment, then what would you work on?
2024-11-17 22:32:13 <zelgomer    > yeah, i don't know!
2024-11-17 22:32:38 <amby        > veltas: that's kinda backwards
2024-11-17 22:32:48 <amby        > a programming language can only be ideal for a specific task
2024-11-17 22:33:06 <amby        > so if you have an ideal language you already know what you're doing
2024-11-17 22:34:36 <veltas      > Essentially I'm trying to help think about what problems are interesting to zelgomer outside of programming languages/environments
2024-11-17 22:37:53 <veltas      > I'd probably want to write games, office software, all sorts of copycatting with what I've seen
2024-11-17 22:38:23 <veltas      > Or maybe software to solve some sort of business niche
2024-11-17 22:40:25 <veltas      > Or apply this to my actual job
2024-11-17 23:22:59 <zelgomer    > obvious i would use it to amass wealth and attract beautiful women
2024-11-17 23:23:02 <zelgomer    > obviously
2024-11-17 23:23:07 <zelgomer    > just after i learn to spell