2024-12-08 00:05:04 <veltas      > What is a good amount for general purpose computing?
2024-12-08 00:05:32 <Zarutian_iPad> depends
2024-12-08 00:05:53 <thrig       > do you need to compile porky things like llvm
2024-12-08 00:05:58 <veltas      > I think there is some interesting reasoning to do here
2024-12-08 00:08:53 <veltas      > We were doing calculations, word processing, etc on machines many decades ago with 64K words of memory, which was standard for mainframes and later minicomputers I think?
2024-12-08 00:09:41 <veltas      > Although the coding for this kind of system can be cumbersome, it's easier to 'just' have more RAM
2024-12-08 00:11:06 <veltas      > Also it's not unreasonable for normal consumers to want computers with graphical UIs
2024-12-08 00:11:22 <veltas      > How much does that really add though?
2024-12-08 00:13:20 <Zarutian_iPad> well, I know back in the day, 64 Megabytes of memory was pretty decent enough for very workable guis
2024-12-08 00:13:48 <Zarutian_iPad> truecolour ones that is
2024-12-08 00:14:27 <veltas      > If you want picture and video editing then requirements shift a lot
2024-12-08 00:14:36 <Zarutian_iPad> but you might want to look into how Apple did a lot with little via QuickDraw
2024-12-08 00:23:40 <KipIngram   > veltas: I think graphical functionality is used far more broadly than is really needed, for purposes that I can almost call "entertainment" and "eye candy."  Some applications really do need it.  Most anything CAD, or anything where you're working with illustrations and so on.  But there are a LOT of apps out there that really don't NEED to be graphical.
2024-12-08 00:24:00 <KipIngram   > I think if you were forced to you could get a lot of mileage out of a console-only computer.
2024-12-08 00:24:48 <veltas      > I'm thinking more like 90's Excel and less like those websites you need to zoom to 40% to read comfortably
2024-12-08 00:26:31 <veltas      > I've heard it stated that Excel is better than Lotus 1-2-3, although I've not used 1-2-3
2024-12-08 00:34:54 <veltas      > Yeah QuickDraw is probably good research for minimal 2D graphics
2024-12-08 00:43:47 <KipIngram   > Lotus 1-2-3 was soundly functional; Excel just loaded up more features, and in an app like that I suppose that's better.
2024-12-08 00:44:11 <KipIngram   > Assuming they're useful features.
2024-12-08 00:45:12 <KipIngram   > Visicalc was just coming out during my last coop tour at IBM back in summer 1983.  It was the first spreadsheet that actually got people's attention, and really landed with a pop.
2024-12-08 00:45:38 <KipIngram   > I think the spreadsheet was one of the things that really caused the business community to latch onto computers.
2024-12-08 00:45:57 <KipIngram   > Onto personal computers, that is.
2024-12-08 00:45:58 <Zarutian_iPad> 
ACTION is intending to get back to his gui gfx obj stuff in forth next month-/year-ish

2024-12-08 00:46:31 <Zarutian_iPad> in QuickDraw I like how masks are stored compactly
2024-12-08 00:50:54 <Zarutian_iPad> basically a line just has counts on when to flip from 0 (background) to 1 and vice versa
2024-12-08 00:51:28 <Zarutian_iPad> and then often there just an 'repeat last line x times' instead of line data
2024-12-08 00:53:28 <veltas      > Personally I'm hoping to get some stuff done over the next year/decade/century
2024-12-08 00:55:04 <Zarutian_iPad> ya ken how it is then
2024-12-08 01:05:58 <veltas      > Not sure how many centuries I've got left in me
2024-12-08 01:10:54 <Zarutian_iPad> at least a few, enough see star lifting operations on the sun to both to extract material and extend its lifetime
2024-12-08 04:04:10 <lf94        > someone just buy my stuff :D.
2024-12-08 16:27:06 <lf94        > Sold 2 of as this morning :D 1 left gang!
2024-12-08 16:35:56 <amby        > 2 of what?
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