2024-12-28 16:49:11 crc: FYI, looks like your IRC logs are UTF-8(?) but seem to be reported as something else because when I open them in my browser xentrac's recent posts look like nonsense 2024-12-28 16:49:40 So maybe there's some way to configure that in your http config, and I'll forgive you for ignoring this because I would probably not fix this either lol 2024-12-28 16:54:50 This probably isn't the right way to do this, but might be helpful https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/140uq1a/utf8_mime_types_in_httpdconf/jmxi21p/ 2024-12-28 17:00:03 veltas: I'll look at this. Is it all of the logs or any specific dates? 2024-12-28 17:00:28 xentrac was using some exotic characters yesterday 2024-12-28 17:00:44 In particular ε 2024-12-28 17:03:40 Yeah yesterday in particular 2024-12-28 17:04:15 Looking at HTTP header I didn't see a charset specified(?), I'm assuming this is necessary to not get some horrid default encoding for plain text files 2024-12-28 17:15:19 does this work properly? https://forth.chat/logs/libera/forth/2024-12-27.utf8 2024-12-28 17:21:01 Yes 2024-12-28 17:29:26 ok, I've added .utf8 versions of all the logs, with the hack for charset=UTF-8. I'll look for a better long term fix, but this should help for now. 2024-12-28 18:03:48 unless someone emits some other encoding, but that's pretty rare 2024-12-28 19:09:24 Yeah I guess IRC doesn't have any particular encoding, but UTF-8 seems to cover this channel effectively 2024-12-28 21:23:10 I'm finding out now that a lot of people are starting to agree with me about e.g. dragon book being full of useless stuff, and it's annoying others who want you to do compilers 'the right way', and think you're dumb or whatever for not wanting to learn all the maths, background, etc 2024-12-28 21:23:49 But really I think I would say whether or not it's good for things like maths, science, or academia to exist, the Dragon Book is not a very direct route to writing a compiler. That's all I would say. 2024-12-28 21:24:37 Whether the Dragon Book and all the stuff about automata, languages, parsing, etc should be taught is probably a different question because most maths *looks* pointless, 2024-12-28 21:25:12 but the problem solving + reasoning skills are probably worth training, even if the intermediate steps can be a bit of a diversion 2024-12-28 21:28:08 Yet when CS grads get out of university then they do need a splash of cynical water in their faces so they actually solve the task at hand, and don't just rewrite operating systems and languages all day 2024-12-28 23:20:18 rewriting operating systems and languages is fun but often is not a very direct route to solving a problem 2024-12-28 23:36:35 writers write a lot of bad words before they get any good 2024-12-28 23:57:17 true 2024-12-28 23:58:14 if your practice consists of rewriting operating systems, will that make you better or worse at linear equation solvers and CRUD employee management systems?