2025-01-24 03:11:59 <KipIngram   > I approve of "code-less" sites.  I think "active content" is one of the worst security  missteps we made the last few decades.
2025-01-24 10:02:37 <veltas      > KipIngram: Go for your web stuff and ask for help in here
2025-01-24 10:03:05 <veltas      > Don't ask in #webdev etc because they've all been coding since they were 3 and don't understand e.g. any of my questions
2025-01-24 10:03:19 <veltas      > Maybe vms14 can help
2025-01-24 10:03:24 <veltas      > I can help with some basics
2025-01-24 14:09:15 <KipIngram   > Thanks.  I can handle the HTML and generally most stuff of that nature.  I'm kind of ok with PHP.  It's the javascript and more active stuff where I fall down.  And I'll need some of that - I want this to be able to push active updates to the browser without the client needing to constantly re-poll, and I want it to be able to update just individual bits of the display instead of requiring whole
2025-01-24 14:09:17 <KipIngram   > page updates.  That sort of thing involves stuff I've never done.
2025-01-24 14:09:35 <KipIngram   > It'll be a more "alive" interface than anything else I've done before.
2025-01-24 14:11:04 <KipIngram   > I've arranged the lower level control, though, so everything works through files.  The controller writes new outputs to files, and it monitors files to know when to do stuff.  So the web interface will just handle the other side of those file flows.
2025-01-24 14:14:44 <KipIngram   > Right now *I* can control the pool just fine, by ssh update to those files.  But no one else can.
2025-01-24 14:15:18 <KipIngram   > Well, they *could*, but no one knows how.
2025-01-24 14:41:05 <vms14       > js is just an api for the browser
2025-01-24 14:42:22 <vms14       > but is better than php I guess
2025-01-24 14:42:31 <vms14       > and the performance of v8 is astonishing
2025-01-24 14:44:08 <vms14       > my abomination in perl took 6 seconds to iterate and sum a list of the first million numbers
2025-01-24 14:44:23 <vms14       > the same implementation in js took 1.5 instead xd
2025-01-24 14:51:18 <veltas      > Yeah quite simply you are looking at a big difference in investment and users
2025-01-24 14:51:53 <veltas      > We're at the point where anything that's not in JS needs some justification, e.g. your message earlier where you discussed not using node!
2025-01-24 14:52:42 <veltas      > That's why the computers I work with are all smaller than a lego brick
2025-01-24 15:02:03 <vms14       > well the main reason is I do not really need performance and I do not know anything about node
2025-01-24 15:02:42 <vms14       > plus I do not have interest in js, I'm just forced to use it because the world wants it
2025-01-24 15:03:07 <xentrac     > KipIngram: aha, Comet
2025-01-24 15:03:32 <xentrac     > vms14: I like JS okay as a programming language
2025-01-24 15:04:13 <xentrac     > if you don't, you might think about using wasm instead
2025-01-24 15:14:48 <vms14       > xentrac is not that bad actually
2025-01-24 15:14:59 <vms14       > I just have 0 interest and using it as a tool is fine
2025-01-24 15:15:24 <vms14       > but not for a big project or alike
2025-01-24 15:15:33 <vms14       > I would rather choose a language I enjoy instead
2025-01-24 15:15:47 <vms14       > at least is not php or java
2025-01-24 15:16:05 <vms14       > and has some fp friendlyness, also does not really impose anything on you
2025-01-24 16:36:24 <xentrac     > yeah