2025-02-09 00:24:18 <veltas      > Nice
2025-02-09 00:35:24 <xentrac     > wow, congratulations!  that's fantastic!
2025-02-09 00:35:50 <xentrac     > KipIngram: I'd like to request banning zelgomer from the channel for 1 to 5 years, because I don't think death threats have any place in the discourse on ##forth
2025-02-09 00:36:26 <xentrac     > I don't think zelgomer's delusions that Joe Biden and I are secretly Communists would in themselves justify such measures
2025-02-09 00:36:45 <xentrac     > but the fact that zelgomer wants us to die because of those delusions does
2025-02-09 00:38:13 <xentrac     > and zelgomer bringing up that desire (and belief that killing us would be justified) in the context of an only vaguely related discussion seems difficult to interpret as anything other than an attempt to chill discourse with violent threats
2025-02-09 00:40:48 <xentrac     > though to be perfectly fair, when pressed, zelgomer denied any intent to actually kill either one of us, despite repeatedly refusing to give any reason not to do so
2025-02-09 00:55:44 <zelgomer    > xentrac has never stated any reason for not raping babies, can we please ban him for being a baby rapist?
2025-02-09 00:56:52 <xentrac     > crc: ↑
2025-02-09 01:01:11 <zelgomer    > just stop behaving like an unhinged blue haired nut case, dude. it's the internet, people are going to say things you don't like.
2025-02-09 01:02:53 <zelgomer    > people say things in this channel i don't care to read all the time, KipIngram being one of them. i don't lose my shit and try to get him banned by making up false accusations.
2025-02-09 01:05:19 <crc         > 
ACTION hasn't had time to read the full channel logs recently & isn't going to ban anyone yet, but please keep discussion civil.

2025-02-09 01:07:47 <xentrac     > I haven't made any false accusations, and I don't intend to, but I don't think either threatening me with death or accusing me of being a baby rapist qualifies as civil discussion, crc.
2025-02-09 01:08:37 <xentrac     > Which are, to be clear, things that zelgomer has done in the past 72 hours on this channel.  Most of the relevant logs are missing from forth.chat, but I can send them to you.
2025-02-09 01:09:44 <xentrac     > There are a wide variety of other uncivil things zelgomer has said, as you can see, but these are among the most egregious.
2025-02-09 01:11:43 <xentrac     > I have to admit I have said some uncivil things myself in the process (as you will see) but nothing in the same ballpark.
2025-02-09 01:12:27 <zelgomer    > i didn't threaten you
2025-02-09 01:12:45 <zelgomer    > you know i didn't threaten you
2025-02-09 01:12:50 <zelgomer    > stop it
2025-02-09 01:14:20 <xentrac     > There is no alternative reasonable interpretation in context of your line "01:41 < zelgomer> you're a commie, you deserve death" other than as a death threat directed at me; I've already provided all the potential exculpatory information above.
2025-02-09 01:16:11 <zelgomer    > cool story bro
2025-02-09 01:16:39 <xentrac     > Up to that point, to be clear, the discussion had been completely civil except for zelgomer's attempt to justify political violence with dehumanizing rhetoric: "01:30 < zelgomer> democrats are not people" and zelgomer's accusations that I am mentally ill.
2025-02-09 01:17:42 <xentrac     > Oh, not quite; I'd said "01:38 < xentrac> sounds like you need to brush up on your introductory political science, dehumanizing boy"
2025-02-09 01:19:04 <xentrac     > I'm sorry I called you "boy", zelgomer.
2025-02-09 01:19:15 <xentrac     > That was rude of me.
2025-02-09 01:21:28 <xentrac     > KipIngram: are you planning on fabricating the circuit yourself?  0.3μm suggests to me that you're not planning to use MOSIS or the Skywater PDK
2025-02-09 01:27:40 <crc         > Skimming my logs, I don't see an explicit death threat, but the discussion around this is borderline, and this isn't in keeping with the spirit of the channel & probably falls outside of libera's policies on unwanted behavior and content.
2025-02-09 01:27:40 <crc         > Continued discussion like this will not be tolerated, and I'll mute or ban people if things get uncivil.
2025-02-09 01:28:45 <xentrac     > I appreciate it.
2025-02-09 12:53:43 <lisbeths    > how do forth programmers tend to make databases? Binary search trees?
2025-02-09 12:54:23 <lisbeths    > like Ive heard the forth filesystem is essentially just blocks of memory
2025-02-09 14:00:04 <KipIngram   > xentrac: Right now I'm just trying to learn more about design at that level and to get more familiar with the tools.  Even if I got around to designing something worth fabricating (which would likely be a processor of some sort), I'm unlikely to ever have enough discretionary funds for something like a MOSIS run.  I do find Sam Zeloof's DIY fabrication work interesting, but whether I ever manage to
2025-02-09 14:00:05 <KipIngram   > play with things like that myself is a very open question.
2025-02-09 14:01:00 <KipIngram   > I think getting such things into reach of dedicated hobbiests would be a great improvement in the world, but I guess it's a fairly daunting project.
2025-02-09 14:02:37 <KipIngram   > I'd view it as the hardware equivalent of open source software, and it would be nice for that to exist in a well-established way.
2025-02-09 14:04:14 <KipIngram   > Sam's work, though, is quite a few decades behind the cutting edge - he seems to be at least getting close to being able to fabricate something like the very earliest most primitive processors.
2025-02-09 17:45:42 <veltas      > lisbeths: Databases, see the example in the PolyForth manual
2025-02-09 17:46:28 <veltas      > https://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/DB005-120825-PF-REF.pdf
2025-02-09 17:46:30 <veltas      > Chapter 8
2025-02-09 17:47:06 <veltas      > They explain how their thing works, seems like a forthy and interesting way to do it.  Is very "pre-relational" but we're in the NoSQL future anyway now
2025-02-09 18:22:43 <KipIngram   > I still find relational db's quite useful, though.
2025-02-09 18:22:56 <KipIngram   > At least for well-targeted applications.
2025-02-09 18:32:55 <GeDaMo      > I think I see a mistake in that polyforth manual, there's a database example which defines a record of 76 bytes but then says the record length is 74
2025-02-09 18:35:14 <GeDaMo      > Page 220
2025-02-09 18:36:50 <thrig       > are there some flag bytes or a pointer thingy?
2025-02-09 18:52:04 <neauoire    > hey xentrac : ) waiting for the snow to melt in Victoria so we can cast off
2025-02-09 18:52:35 <neauoire    > we just shipped a new game for the playdate, written in a forth-like(uxntal)
2025-02-09 18:53:15 <neauoire    > so we're just kicking it back atm, and I'm playing with neural nets and that kind of thing : )
2025-02-09 18:53:18 <neauoire    > 
2025-02-09 18:53:20 <neauoire    > https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/neural_nets.html
2025-02-09 19:33:17 <lf94        > Ok guys
2025-02-09 19:33:36 <lf94        > Today I finish my damn Forth -> PS4 controller controller
2025-02-09 19:34:01 <thrig       > but who controls the controller controller
2025-02-09 19:34:33 <lf94        > Me
2025-02-09 19:34:35 <lf94        > :)
2025-02-09 19:34:44 <lf94        > <thrig> but who controls you?
2025-02-09 19:34:55 <lf94        > entropy
2025-02-09 19:35:15 <lf94        > entropy is god
2025-02-09 20:38:14 <Shark8      > KipIngram, (re: Relational DBs) -- I'm wondering if you couldn't do a graph-db, and have a VIEW that /is/ the "relational", so that you have your relational DB "on top of" the graph-db.
2025-02-09 21:10:51 <lf94        > Do most embedded forths not have alloc?
2025-02-09 21:14:42 <xn435       > >Forth -> PS4 controller controller
2025-02-09 21:14:49 <xn435       > cool what does it do?
2025-02-09 21:19:41 <lf94        > It's going to cycle through a menu for me lol
2025-02-09 21:19:45 <lf94        > On PS3
2025-02-09 21:19:57 <lf94        > I'm going to have a video about it
2025-02-09 21:20:37 <lf94        > Maybe subscribe to me so you dont miss it https://www.youtube.com/@BlueCardinal33
2025-02-09 21:20:54 <lf94        > (Note: I dont use YouTube much at all, so dont expect much activity, except for cool shit like this)
2025-02-09 21:21:57 <xn435       > bookmarked it
2025-02-09 21:22:02 <xn435       > sounds like ps3 automation :D
2025-02-09 21:22:25 <lf94        > It is, and I'm only using a PS4 controller because I have like 4+ corpses from friends and family lol.
2025-02-09 21:22:39 <lf94        > It was _so hard_ to connect wires to it though
2025-02-09 21:22:55 <lf94        > I had to scrape for a good 1.5 hours at the miniscule contact pads
2025-02-09 21:23:03 <lf94        > And be careful not to rip any off
2025-02-09 21:23:28 <lf94        > I ripped *one* off but there was still a stub left, I was able to reattach the wire but I have to see if it's actually working
2025-02-09 22:02:41 <lf94        > I did not realize how amazing RP2040s were.
2025-02-09 22:02:45 <lf94        > The way you flash them is awesome