2025-02-28 00:04:34 <cleobuline  > xentrac:  it's difficult becauof the big int pointers
2025-02-28 00:05:29 <cleobuline  > for your idea i have tu suppress le word VARIABLE
2025-02-28 00:13:27 <cleobuline  > i will look at this feature tomorrow , because i am stoned a this time xentrac
2025-02-28 00:14:17 <xentrac     > haha
2025-02-28 01:34:38 <cleobuline  > !gforth : SUM_SQUARE  1 + 0  DO I + LOOP DUP * ;   10 SUM_SQUARE .
2025-02-28 01:34:40 <gforth_eval_bot> https://0x0.st/8mSI.txt
2025-02-28 01:38:11 <cleobuline  > !gforth : SUM_SQUARE  1 + 0  DO I + LOOP DUP * ; 0 10 SUM_SQUARE
2025-02-28 01:38:21 <cleobuline  > !gforth : SUM_SQUARE  1 + 0  DO I + LOOP DUP * ; 0 10 SUM_SQUARE .
2025-02-28 01:38:21 <gforth_eval_bot> 3025
2025-02-28 01:45:42 <cleobuline  > !gforth : SUM_CUBES 1 + 0  DO  I CUBE + LOOP ;  0 10 SUM_CUBES .
2025-02-28 01:45:43 <gforth_eval_bot> https://0x0.st/8mSk.txt
2025-02-28 01:47:04 <cleobuline  > !gforth   : CUBE DUP DUP * * ; : SUM_CUBES 1 + 0  DO  I CUBE + LOOP ;  0 10 SUM_CUBES .
2025-02-28 01:47:05 <gforth_eval_bot> 3025
2025-02-28 01:47:28 <cleobuline  > marvelous :)
2025-02-28 13:50:39 <cleobuline  > ForthBot: CREATE FOO 100 ALLOT
2025-02-28 13:50:52 <cleobuline  > ForthBot: 123 5 FOO !
2025-02-28 13:51:03 <cleobuline  > ForthBot: 5 FOO @ .
2025-02-28 13:51:13 <cleobuline  > content xentrac ?
2025-02-28 15:00:28 <crc         > user51: many years ago, I had written a thing in sed & shell scripts that translated forth to x86 assembly (it made use of some of the primitives from retroforth 6 or 7 IIRC)
2025-02-28 15:00:50 <crc         > I had used it to write some small kernel modules for Linux back in 2002 or 2003
2025-02-28 15:02:07 <user51      > crc: I wasn't even programming that time.  :)
2025-02-28 15:04:12 <crc         > I've been programming since 1996 or 1997, and using forth since 1998
2025-02-28 15:04:29 <KipIngram   > I was just starting to USE Linux back around that time.  I put it on a system so I could install open source (free) PCB layout software for consulting work.  I do recall that Linux was still somewhat rough around the edges in those days.
2025-02-28 15:04:52 <KipIngram   > I started programming in 1982 or so.
2025-02-28 15:05:04 <KipIngram   > In college.
2025-02-28 15:09:30 <user51      > I've been using Linux for 10 years and I'd still say it's rough around the edges.
2025-02-28 15:14:16 <crc         > I started with MS-DOS, Oberon System 3, Linux (a stripped down Slackware), and Windows 3.1 on an old 80386. I've used lots of other OSes since then, but mostly use OpenBSD & FreeBSD these days.
2025-02-28 15:14:45 <crc         > I picked up use of Linux & later BSD systems within a year or so of starting to use computers
2025-02-28 15:20:12 <user51      > Coming from a Windows background, 98->XP->7, in Linux I always feel a bit of tension between the CLI and GUI.
2025-02-28 15:27:36 <crc         > I don't do much with GUI stuff on my dev machine. I run X11 on occasion,  mostly just to test little things or examine photos.
2025-02-28 15:39:45 <crc         > a quick update on my konilo-over-irc bot: I've successfully tested it with three concurrent users, each with a separate ilo instance, per-user output cached to a file accessible via http. I still need to setup the per-user blocks, write some documentation, and do a lot more testing, but it's coming along.
2025-02-28 16:37:01 <cleobuline  > ForthBot:  : ? @ . ;
2025-02-28 16:38:28 <cleobuline  > ForthBot:  VARIABLE X 1234 X ! X ?
2025-02-28 16:38:29 <ForthBot    > 1234
2025-02-28 16:39:32 <vms14       > I guess the first program I wrote was python
2025-02-28 17:59:29 <KipIngram   > Aside from that calculator that was my actually "first platform," the first programming I did was in Fortran.
2025-02-28 18:00:07 <thrig       > a (bad) dice roller in basic for an apple //e
2025-02-28 18:01:42 <KipIngram   > pgimeno: Pretty quickly after that Fortrran course I followed up with Pascal and also with 6809 assembly.
2025-02-28 18:02:03 <KipIngram   > I really found the 6809 to be elegant and pleasing.
2025-02-28 18:02:12 <xentrac     > Yeah, everybody loves the 6809.
2025-02-28 18:02:34 <xentrac     > Unfortunately when I had access to a CoCo I didn't know what assembly language was
2025-02-28 18:02:55 <xentrac     > so I did lots of graphics demos, but they were all in BASIC.
2025-02-28 18:41:53 <cleobuline  > alors les amis , vous allez bien ,
2025-02-28 18:42:18 <cleobuline  > ForthBot:  SEE SUM_SQUARE
2025-02-28 18:42:19 <ForthBot    > : SUM_SQUARE 1 + 0 DO I + LOOP DUP * ;
2025-02-28 18:57:35 <veltas      > The first proper programming I did was with C++
2025-02-28 19:03:55 <vms14       > btw I have betrayed you all and made a lisp interpreter instead :D
2025-02-28 19:04:25 <xentrac     > yay
2025-02-28 19:05:13 <vms14       > I really tried hard to make the rpn abomination useful, but never was useful for more than a hello world
2025-02-28 19:06:05 <vms14       > it was extremely complex to do even a single task
2025-02-28 19:06:31 <user51      > I don't really think about forth as RPN anymore -- just as something that parses a string and executes the appropriate word.
2025-02-28 19:06:37 <vms14       > all the overhead you avoid on the interpreter by using rpn and the stack, you put it on the programmer
2025-02-28 19:06:56 <user51      > vms14: Code for your RPN abomination?
2025-02-28 19:07:10 <vms14       > I guess the main problem was not having memory
2025-02-28 19:07:21 <vms14       > https://vms.neocities.org/ohh.js
2025-02-28 19:07:32 <vms14       > that's one version in js
2025-02-28 19:07:57 <vms14       > and that's what it does
2025-02-28 19:07:57 <vms14       > https://vms.neocities.org/oh
2025-02-28 19:08:15 <vms14       > you can move with wasd
2025-02-28 19:08:36 <vms14       > the enemies just follow you, so they are friends instead
2025-02-28 19:10:52 <user51      > That could be a start for something like Vampire Survivors.
2025-02-28 19:10:52 <vms14       > that's exactly what it was xd
2025-02-28 20:56:19 <crc         > running for a single user is a lot simpler; with this I need to consider more in terms of sharing resources & potential security issues
2025-02-28 21:02:14 <crc         > vms14: one thing to remember here is that I'm not using any kind of bot scaffold; I have to deal with everything in the IRC protocol that's needed for this, so there's nothing like Bot::BasicBot to hide the details
2025-02-28 21:12:27 <vms14       > yeah
2025-02-28 21:12:45 <vms14       > in my case it was more as a proof of concept to test interoperability with perl modules
2025-02-28 21:13:09 <vms14       > as that module requires you to subclass it and override the methods
2025-02-28 21:17:25 <vms14       > s/as/since/
2025-02-28 21:24:14 <crc         > When I'm done with this, I might do implementations in a few languages (retro, c, and python). It'd be interesting to see what differences or similarities arise as a result.
2025-02-28 21:28:53 <vms14       > I wonder why don't you make web applications with retro ported to js
2025-02-28 21:34:17 <KipIngram   > crc: I bet that will show some interesting things.  I won't surprise me at all if the language tends us toward specific algorithms.
2025-02-28 21:34:33 <KipIngram   > "It"
2025-02-28 21:35:11 <crc         > vms14: I have zero interest in developing with js or doing modern web applications
2025-02-28 21:35:43 <vms14       > well if it wasn't for the latter, the first might be the reason to have retro in js
2025-02-28 21:36:00 <vms14       > which I guess you already have because I saw lots of implementations in several langs
2025-02-28 21:37:15 <crc         > Honestly, at this point I mostly use Konilo for mg personal computing, and Retro when doing bigger tasks that need to interface more with a host system.
2025-02-28 21:39:02 <crc         > (That's less common in the last couple of months; I have a lot of programs written in retro that just keep on working and fill their roles nicely.)
2025-02-28 21:41:15 <crc         > if you want js, I have https://brew.bsd.cafe/crc/retroforth/src/branch/master/vm/nga-js and https://brew.bsd.cafe/crc/ilo-vm/src/branch/main/source/ilo-js.html (or https://brew.bsd.cafe/crc/ilo-vm/src/branch/main/source/ilo.ts for typescript)
2025-02-28 21:45:50 <crc         > I don't use any of these often. It's just wasteful to run X11 and a browser to run something that doesn't need any of this.
2025-02-28 21:52:56 <vms14       > my goal is to make games with it so I can just throw links into people faces and they can start playing without installing anything, since everyone has a js powered browser
2025-02-28 21:53:29 <vms14       > like that neocities link I gave before
2025-02-28 22:55:59 <cleobuline  > ForthBot:  WORDS
2025-02-28 22:55:59 <ForthBot    > SUM_SQUARE ? X