2025-03-10 12:50:52 <crc         > veltas: re: eink devices
2025-03-10 12:50:53 <crc         > - I've had no issues with my Boox Go 6, but I've seen numerous reports indicating poor quality control on at least some of their models & they don't appear to be very responsive for warranty issues
2025-03-10 12:51:02 <crc         > - I've run Konilo on a Mobiscribe Wave (B&W). I don't recommend this one. The storage is slow, and the screen has terrible ghosting when running programs other than the built in stuff
2025-03-10 12:51:08 <crc         > - I've run it on a Viwoods AiPaper Mini. (I don't use the AI junk on this, but it's a work device I use mainly for note taking). Performance is good, and the screen quality is nice.
2025-03-10 12:51:17 <crc         > The AiPaper is expensive though, and the AI program on it has a dedicated soft button that's annoyingly easy to hit & not yet remappable.
2025-03-10 12:51:27 <crc         > - I've run it on a Supernote Nomad A6X2. (Note: this is my personal favorite eink tablet of the ones I've used). Performance is better than the Go 6, but notably slower than the AiPaper.
2025-03-10 12:51:36 <crc         > - I don't recommend Kindles (I have a Scribe, also a work device). While there is a jailbreak now, running programs is troublesome, and I've not built an ilo for it.
2025-03-10 12:51:47 <crc         > - I've used older eink Barnes & Noble Nook devices. With Termux side loaded, it runs Konilo, but I've had ghosting issues, and their device partitioning reduces usability a lot.
2025-03-10 12:51:55 <crc         > (They reserve a large amount of storage for books & content from their store)
2025-03-10 12:52:02 <crc         > - I have no recent experience with PocketBook (these run Linux & were quite open in the past, not sure on current ones), Remarkable (seems pretty closed, from what I've read), or Bigme (runs Android).
2025-03-10 12:52:11 <crc         > - I mostly use it on the Go 6, since that device is small enough to be easily taken with me everywhere and the Nomad A6X2, which I keep on hand around 80% of the time.
2025-03-10 13:36:25 <xentrac     > nice, thanks!
2025-03-10 14:04:43 <crc         > with regards to ghosting, the boox devices have a variety of refresh modes, with varying levels of ghosting to performance. I run in "speed" mode. There is a software button to force a full refresh as needed.
2025-03-10 14:05:49 <crc         > and the supernote nomad has a gesture bar on the left & right sides; a swipe up on the right side does a full refresh
2025-03-10 14:06:05 <veltas      > Remarkable is open, but there isn't a lot of support for the open ecosystem
2025-03-10 14:06:09 <veltas      > It's just a Linux tablet
2025-03-10 14:06:16 <veltas      > Not android though
2025-03-10 14:06:44 <veltas      > It doesn't sound like a good option if I'm interested in running e.g. a terminal locally
2025-03-10 14:07:16 <crc         > the aipaper has recently added a gesture (diagonal swipe from the top left to center) for full refresh. It has some refresh modes; I use "ultrafast" on this most of the time
2025-03-10 14:07:51 <veltas      > So given I don't want to spend a lot, would you recommend either Boox Go 6 or Supernote Nomad A6X2?
2025-03-10 14:08:52 <crc         > go 6 is $149 usd, a6x2 is $299, so the go 6 is better from a cost perspective
2025-03-10 14:09:11 <veltas      > Looks like it's a lot more expensive in europe
2025-03-10 14:09:25 <veltas      > Both of them are, actually
2025-03-10 14:09:30 <crc         > the only real thing I dislike on the go 6 is the lack of support for emr stylus, so no handwriting support
2025-03-10 14:11:44 <crc         > makes sense; you'll have VAT & probably some extra cost associated w/longer warranty periods
2025-03-10 14:12:20 <crc         > prices here will probably rise soon as tariffs take effect
2025-03-10 14:27:37 <veltas      > Even before VAT it's a lot higher
2025-03-10 14:27:53 <veltas      > Probably inefficient distribution or something, maybe UK/EU tariffs
2025-03-10 14:28:01 <veltas      > We have a lot of tariffs too
2025-03-10 14:30:53 <veltas      > Might also be because consumer protections are different, and the yield is bad, so they have had to increase price to make a profit with returns of bad equipment
2025-03-10 15:09:29 <veltas      > Has anyone here run PDP-11 Forths?
2025-03-10 15:09:35 <veltas      > On a PDP-11 or emulator?
2025-03-10 16:27:08 <DKordic     > veltas: What are you looking for?  I heard MSP430 is like PDP-11, so Mecrisp and noForth might be interesting.
2025-03-10 21:43:56 <veltas      > Who knows what I'm looking for at this point
2025-03-10 22:13:32 <szilard     > veltas: take a look at https://github.com/chettrick/discobsd , compile your favorite C based forth impementation on it and have fun.
2025-03-10 23:23:05 <crc         > hmm, a continuation retrobsd, nice to see :)
2025-03-10 23:23:34 <crc         > 
ACTION should do a konilo port; there was a retroforth port for retrobsd at one point

2025-03-10 23:27:33 <xentrac     > :)
2025-03-10 23:27:43 <xentrac     > that sounds awesome
2025-03-10 23:32:57 <xentrac     > crc: I don't suppose you've taken any measurements of power consumption for e-ink screen updates, have you?
2025-03-10 23:38:01 <crc         > xentrac: I don't have any way to test that
2025-03-10 23:39:05 <xentrac     > yeah, it can be challenging
2025-03-10 23:39:58 <crc         > It'll be something to look at if I decide to try running an eink display on the hardware konilo machine at some point
2025-03-10 23:51:31 <xentrac     > my best estimate so far is 10-100 millijoules per screen update
2025-03-10 23:51:41 <xentrac     > even for very small screen updates
2025-03-10 23:53:05 <xentrac     > you'll note that that's (a) a lot of energy and (b) a ridiculously vague range