2025-03-15 02:10:52 <soweli_iki  > hey thrig, i'm enjoying your 3-5-7-11-13 piece
2025-03-15 02:15:45 <soweli_iki  > they aren't primes, but you should try 8-12-15-18-20 sometime as well
2025-03-15 02:21:52 <soweli_iki  > another fun thing might be to use those ratios you chose to select your pitches, instead of randomly selecting a chord. though the chord you chose is very nice for a drone piece
2025-03-15 02:26:31 <soweli_iki  > this is a nice ambient work. i will probably listen to it during work hours
2025-03-15 02:38:36 <xentrac     > pilin seme, soweli_iki?
2025-03-15 02:38:47 <soweli_iki  > mi pilin pona mute
2025-03-15 02:38:55 <soweli_iki  > jan xentrac o, sina pilin seme?
2025-03-15 02:39:05 <xentrac     > mi pona!
2025-03-15 02:39:16 <soweli_iki  > pona a
2025-03-15 02:42:18 <soweli_iki  > sina sona ala sona e tomo ##tokipona? o kama!
2025-03-15 02:43:00 <xentrac     > mi sona ala e toki Toki Pona :-(
2025-03-15 02:43:07 <soweli_iki  > taso, sina toki pona!
2025-03-15 02:43:13 <xentrac     > a a a
2025-03-15 02:43:26 <soweli_iki  > nasa a
2025-03-15 02:50:52 <soweli_iki  > "No. Just that sentence and this one explaining it."
2025-03-15 03:36:40 <ryoshu      > https://vfxforth.com/flag/anstests/index.html ANS Forth and Forth 2012 Test Programs
2025-03-15 08:06:25 <DKordic     > I must admit forth "standards" are magical.
2025-03-15 08:19:00 <veltas      > DKordic: What way?
2025-03-15 08:19:03 <veltas      > Magically bad?
2025-03-15 08:20:45 <DKordic     > veltas: I tryed to make a joke alluding to Magic Number.
2025-03-15 08:23:29 <DKordic     > IMHO the essence of Forth is Function Composition.  Naturally We should have First-Class Functions, therefore HOFs.
2025-03-15 08:25:55 <DKordic     > I finally see and agree that Forth standard is counter-productive.  AFAIK F83 was significant for it's time.  Promethean even.
2025-03-15 08:27:04 <veltas      > Well I think the committee would prefer that kind of forth
2025-03-15 08:27:11 <veltas      > But it doesn't mix well with the classic Forths
2025-03-15 08:27:19 <veltas      > So they should fork really
2025-03-15 08:27:50 <veltas      > crc's dialects are good function composers, as far as I can tell, not that I have a lot of experience with retro or konilo
2025-03-15 08:29:08 <veltas      > KA11 is really nice, PDP-11 was a really nicely designed machine
2025-03-15 08:29:29 <veltas      > I might be biased because I spend a lot of time on stuff that was implemented and inspired by the PDP-11, though
2025-03-15 08:33:05 <DKordic     > I wouldn't like to exclude Interoperability.  IMHO "Operating System" is a _confused_ concept!!  If I were to rationalize it (out of desperation?), it's essence would be Object System, like CLOS.  Why can't We impot the Parser from a C Compiler?
2025-03-15 08:40:13 <DKordic     > In other words, Lisp, CAR, CDR, FORTH, Scheme are indeed Cargo Cult.
2025-03-15 08:42:29 <DKordic     > Forth is Lisp without the errors.
2025-03-15 08:46:11 <DKordic     > I think Retro is not interesting enough to even mention it.  Joy is also confused!!
2025-03-15 08:53:34 <DKordic     > AFAICS PDP-11 has no intersection with reality.  Everything I heard about it was not merely vague but vapid.  My impression is they would say at least something tangible if only that had anything.
2025-03-15 08:58:45 <veltas      > PDP-11 is a real computer that existed and was quite influential
2025-03-15 08:59:08 <veltas      > And I'm just reading the handbook at moment, and implementing an assembler for it in my block editor
2025-03-15 08:59:30 <veltas      > And I'm enjoying the addressing modes, etc, it's quite a nice design
2025-03-15 09:13:24 <veltas      > This is a bit mad actually but a good few years ago, I used to take my rubbish thinkpad out into the garden to code
2025-03-15 09:13:49 <veltas      > I would just turn the LCD off and sit in indirect sunlight, and I could see what was on screen if I have strong black-on-white contrast configured
2025-03-15 09:13:58 <veltas      > Turn off the LCD backlight I mean
2025-03-15 09:14:18 <veltas      > And the battery lasted a decent amount that way
2025-03-15 09:14:37 <veltas      > But yeah colour LCD's aren't meant for this, so it's not exactly clear
2025-03-15 09:15:02 <veltas      > On the subject of eink and epaper!
2025-03-15 09:20:15 <DKordic     > I had a similar idea.  I tryed (and failed) to replace a few backlight LEDs on a TV.  And was wondering how could I use it as a low-power display.
2025-03-15 09:27:55 <DKordic     > I do wonder why there are no monochrome 8K LCD.
2025-03-15 10:25:02 <user51      > Could an interpreting-only forth work?
2025-03-15 10:27:18 <user51      > Dunno how it will work entirely, but I'm guessing that words like :, IF, and so on would leave their position on the return stack, and words like ;, THEN would validate that the address on the RS points to the "starting" word.
2025-03-15 10:27:41 <user51      > Well, you'll still need to compile definitions somehow, so it's just me thinking out loud for now.
2025-03-15 10:31:35 <user51      > Instead of modes, maybe we could track rstack depth.  Who knows.
2025-03-15 12:39:38 <DKordic     > user51: What do You mean "interpreting-only"?  CPU is indeed an interesting kind of interpreter.  What is interesting at all about text interpretation?
2025-03-15 12:49:57 <DKordic     > What would be an alternative to placing instruction encodings at whatever address A and redirecting PC to address A?!  Example: ``A to PC''?  gforth is an offense to reason.
2025-03-15 13:14:01 <GeDaMo      > DKordic: I'm not sure what you're asking about
2025-03-15 13:17:11 <DKordic     > GeDaMo: Sorry and thank You.  In short gforth (for example) is _worse than nothing_.  IT's "abstraction"s are nothing but obstructions.
2025-03-15 13:21:40 <GeDaMo      > That doesn't really clarify what you're asking
2025-03-15 13:21:49 <GeDaMo      > Do you intend to write your own Forth?
2025-03-15 13:25:34 <GeDaMo      > Mayube I missed the start of this
2025-03-15 13:32:39 <DKordic     > Yes, I do.  I will clarify it with a proof of concept.  I apologize for rambling.
2025-03-15 13:48:19 <GeDaMo      > https://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/moving1.htm
2025-03-15 13:48:43 <GeDaMo      > "MOVING FORTH Part 1: Design Decisions in the Forth Kernel by Brad Rodriguez"
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2025-03-15 22:11:08 <tabemann    > DKordic, what are your objections to gforth exactly?
2025-03-15 22:34:23 <xentrac     > fpuvmbcueravn :-)