2025-03-30 00:55:49 <cleobuline  > finaly i just change for a dynamic dictionnary growing as you go https://github.com/cleobuline/some-c-sources/blob/main/forth_bot__gmp_multi_linked.c
2025-03-30 00:56:34 <cleobuline  > i will do a red-black tree if necessary to improve speed
2025-03-30 03:07:12 <cleobuline  > every one is sleeping  ?
2025-03-30 05:23:27 <crc         > cleobuline: not everyone :)
2025-03-30 11:06:35 <KipIngram   > veltas: Yes, it's not a bad price at all.  Not "rock bottom," but if you're building anything serious at all it's not bad.  I just thought it had a really nice suite of peripherals.
2025-03-30 11:07:14 <KipIngram   > I like the idea of having a Forth OS on that thing that's all rigged to support those - it would be a nice starting point for most any project I can think of.
2025-03-30 11:13:24 <KipIngram   > You also don't need a programmer for it - it's set up so it presents a storage device when you connect it, and you can just drop a firmware image onto it and it will program itself.
2025-03-30 12:42:12 <xentrac     > US$8.41 in quantity 10: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc-maxim-integrated/MAX32655GXG/13168773
2025-03-30 12:43:48 <xentrac     > it sounds a lot like an ESP32
2025-03-30 12:45:15 <xentrac     > except with a working low-power mode, but slower, more expensive, less RAM, and without Wi-Fi
2025-03-30 12:47:00 <xentrac     > the ESP32 doesn't have a built-in switchmode power supply
2025-03-30 12:47:49 <xentrac     > "Fully Open-Source Bluetooth 5.2 Stack Available" is nice to see; the ESP32 doesn't have that
2025-03-30 13:43:44 <KipIngram   > Nice.  What I actually bought wasn't the chip - it's a small board with the chip and various sorts of support circuitry.  I'll mount it as a daughter board on my project boards.
2025-03-30 13:43:47 <KipIngram   > https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc-maxim-integrated/MAX32655FTHR/17885194
2025-03-30 13:44:50 <KipIngram   > I try to avoid surface mount parts for my personal hobby stuff.  I have self-assembled using surface mount parts a time or two, but it's just kind of nerve wracking to me.
2025-03-30 13:45:26 <KipIngram   > I squeegeed paste onto the board, hand-placed the parts, and then used a toaster oven with some little "melt indicators" in it to gauge when to stop.
2025-03-30 13:45:41 <KipIngram   > First time I tried it I cooked the PCB; second time went ok, though.
2025-03-30 13:46:15 <KipIngram   > There just wasn't an awfully wide window between "success" and "ruined board."
2025-03-30 13:47:17 <KipIngram   > I probably ought to look more into getting the SMT assembly done by the same place that makes the boards; I've just never investigated it.
2025-03-30 13:48:00 <KipIngram   > Anyway, I've got a half-dozen of those little boards out in the garage.
2025-03-30 16:20:25 <xentrac     > it sounds like either your toaster oven was very poorly controlled or you were heating it up far too slowly
2025-03-30 16:22:58 <xentrac     > cooking FR4 in a short period of time should require temperatures of over 300 degrees, which is nowhere near soldering temperature even for lead-free solders
2025-03-30 17:14:03 <KipIngram   > I don't remember it all well enough to discuss details.  This was about 22 years ago.
2025-03-30 17:16:14 <xentrac     > PID control is motherfucking magi
2025-03-30 17:16:17 <xentrac     > cc
2025-03-30 17:37:55 <MrMobius    > is there a community for that maxim chip? that counts for a lot when the datasheet is wrong or they haven't added an errata to the list yet
2025-03-30 17:39:16 <MrMobius    > kind of disappointing the msp430 community has mostly died off since I love that MCU
2025-03-30 17:41:58 <xentrac     > TI isn't really a "community" company
2025-03-30 17:42:22 <xentrac     > it's more an "oilfield" and "milspec" company
2025-03-30 17:42:39 <xentrac     > what do you like about the MSP430?
2025-03-30 17:43:12 <xentrac     > (TI did fund a GCC port to the MSP430)
2025-03-30 17:43:37 <MrMobius    > doesn't matter what the company does if the users form their own community
2025-03-30 17:43:53 <MrMobius    > although TI did do a lot to encourage the community with their launchpad stuff
2025-03-30 17:44:25 <xentrac     > what was their launchpad stuff?
2025-03-30 17:45:59 <MrMobius    > the launchpads are dev boards for msp430 and some of their ARM chips
2025-03-30 17:46:46 <MrMobius    > they came out after the Arduino craze and were beginner friendly but actual C programming than Arduino
2025-03-30 17:47:06 <MrMobius    > TI actually did two separate GCC ports
2025-03-30 17:51:10 <xentrac     > how did the launchpad "encourage the community"?  was it open-source hardware like Arduino?
2025-03-30 18:03:27 <cleobuline  > mforth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 18:03:36 <cleobuline  > multi:  SEE TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 18:03:54 <cleobuline  > mforth:  SEE TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 18:03:55 <mforth      > : TEST-CASE CASE 1 OF ." UN  " CR ENDOF 2 OF ." DEUX  " CR ENDOF 3 OF ." TROIS  " CR ENDOF ." Others  " CR ENDCASE ;
2025-03-30 18:04:12 <cleobuline  > mforth:  2 TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 18:04:13 <mforth      > DEUX
2025-03-30 18:04:37 <cleobuline  > victoire !
2025-03-30 18:05:36 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 18:05:36 <mforth      > .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP DOUBLE FACT POW FIBONACCI COUNTDOWN TUCK SUM_SQUARE CUBE SUM_CUBES RECUNACCI CAT :D PGCD FPRIME? FPRIME2? SEED COUNT NUMS STARS INIT-RANDOM
2025-03-30 18:08:32 <cleobuline  > ths version has a dynamic dictionnary so it can handle as many words as you want and also varables strings and arrays in a linked list so it can also andle as many variable you want
2025-03-30 18:09:53 <cleobuline  > variables in a linked list is not optimal , but i do it for the sport :)
2025-03-30 18:11:17 <veltas      > xentrac: Being beginner friendly I guess.  Their docs are supposedly quite good generally
2025-03-30 18:11:18 <cleobuline  > next i will do all in a red-black tree  so it will recover words and variables very fast
2025-03-30 18:11:52 <veltas      > May main turn-off with TI is they seem expensive, but you get what you pay for
2025-03-30 18:28:36 <xentrac     > veltas: that sounds more like "encouraging customers" than "encouraging a community"
2025-03-30 18:43:11 <thrig       > military and oil folks tend to have a lot of money
2025-03-30 18:45:01 <xentrac     > they're also kind of anti-community
2025-03-30 18:45:49 <xentrac     > I mean Lockheed Martin doesn't want to share their schematics even with Bechtel if they don't have to, much less the People's Liberation Army
2025-03-30 18:47:17 <xentrac     > and Chevron doesn't want to share their schematics with ExxonMobil
2025-03-30 18:47:57 <xentrac     > they have plenty of people inside their own companies to share schematics with; they don't need to post on EEVblog
2025-03-30 18:48:21 <xentrac     > (and firmware, errata, measured curves, etc.)
2025-03-30 19:10:55 <MrMobius    > ya good documentation helps
2025-03-30 19:10:58 <MrMobius    > they were selling the launchpad for $4.30 for a while
2025-03-30 19:12:29 <MrMobius    > veltas: ya expensive for sure but nbd in quantity 1 :P
2025-03-30 19:16:22 <MrMobius    > going into low power mode with one instruction is q neat trick too
2025-03-30 19:22:36 <xentrac     > MrMobius: were other vendors making their own Launchpads and selling them?  because that would be the start of a community
2025-03-30 19:23:09 <MrMobius    > no idea
2025-03-30 19:23:28 <MrMobius    > I'll let you Dunning-Kruger in peace at this point
2025-03-30 19:35:18 <xentrac     > dude, my dad worked for TI
2025-03-30 19:35:50 <xentrac     > I was building circuits out of TI parts when you were probably wetting your diapers
2025-03-30 19:36:34 <xentrac     > my desire to avoid dealing with TI is unfortunately very well founded
2025-03-30 19:59:38 <cleobuline  > mforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 19:59:50 <cleobuline  > mforth:  HELLO
2025-03-30 20:00:06 <cleobuline  > mforth:  CR
2025-03-30 20:00:17 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 20:05:37 <cleobuline  > lforth:  : HELLO ." Bonjour " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 20:05:48 <cleobuline  > lforth:   HELLO
2025-03-30 20:08:46 <cleobuline  > lforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 20:08:55 <cleobuline  > coincé
2025-03-30 20:43:47 <cleobuline  > forth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 20:43:57 <cleobuline  > mmm
2025-03-30 21:20:34 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 21:20:38 <cleobuline  > zut
2025-03-30 21:29:01 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 21:29:01 <mforth      > .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
2025-03-30 21:49:18 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 21:49:18 <mforth      > .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
2025-03-30 21:58:55 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 21:58:55 <mforth      > USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
2025-03-30 21:59:25 <cleobuline  > mforth:  USERNAME @ PRINT
2025-03-30 21:59:26 <mforth      > cleobuline
2025-03-30 21:59:30 <cleobuline  > kool
2025-03-30 22:00:39 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : HELLO ." Bonjour , "  USERNAME PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 22:00:50 <cleobuline  > mforth:  HELLO
2025-03-30 22:00:50 <mforth      > Bonjour ,
2025-03-30 22:01:04 <cleobuline  > mforth:  FORGET HELLO
2025-03-30 22:01:04 <mforth      > Forgot everything from 'HELLO' at index 60 (dict was 61, now 60; mem count now 1)
2025-03-30 22:01:51 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : HELLO ." Bonjour , "  USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 22:01:58 <cleobuline  > mforth:  HELLO
2025-03-30 22:01:58 <mforth      > Bonjour ,
2025-03-30 22:07:41 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : HELLO ." Bonjour , "  USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 22:07:44 <cleobuline  > mforth:  HELLO
2025-03-30 22:07:44 <mforth      > Bonjour , cleobuline
2025-03-30 22:08:58 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 22:08:59 <mforth      > USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP HELLO
2025-03-30 22:24:16 <cleobuline  > mforth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 22:24:47 <cleobuline  > mforth:  2 TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 22:25:00 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 23:03:07 <cleobuline  > forth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 23:03:12 <cleobuline  > forth:  4  TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 23:07:11 <cleobuline  > forth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 23:07:18 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 23:07:18 <mforth      > USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
2025-03-30 23:07:41 <cleobuline  > mforth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 23:07:41 <mforth      > Unknown word in definition: CASE
2025-03-30 23:09:36 <cleobuline  > mforth:  LOAD "test.fth"
2025-03-30 23:09:39 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 23:29:02 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : TEST-CASE   CASE  1 OF  ." UN " CR  ENDOF 2 OF  ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF  ." TROIS "  CR ENDOF ." Others " CR  ENDCASE ;
2025-03-30 23:29:17 <cleobuline  > mforth:  3 TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 23:42:12 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : TEST-CASE   CASE  1 OF  ." UN " CR  ENDOF 2 OF  ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF  ." TROIS "  CR ENDOF ." Others " CR  ENDCASE ;
2025-03-30 23:42:17 <cleobuline  > mforth:  WORDS
2025-03-30 23:42:18 <mforth      > USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 23:42:33 <cleobuline  > mforth:  3 TEST-CASE
2025-03-30 23:42:33 <mforth      > TROIS
2025-03-30 23:46:29 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : HELLO  ." Hello " USENAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 23:46:29 <mforth      > Unknown word in definition: USENAME
2025-03-30 23:46:40 <cleobuline  > mforth:  : HELLO  ." Hello " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
2025-03-30 23:46:50 <cleobuline  > mforth:  HELLO
2025-03-30 23:46:50 <mforth      > Hello cleobuline
2025-03-30 23:46:55 <cleobuline  > :)
2025-03-30 23:52:18 <xentrac     > ha