2023-09-27 00:45:31 <xelxebar    > Well, I do have a PinePhone, another e-Ink phone, a DIY board for air quality sensor, a logic analyzer, and a bench power supply that are all "totally going to get used pretty soon".
2023-09-27 00:55:04 <Zarutian_iPad> got an soldiering iron?
2023-09-27 01:42:37 <xelxebar    > A Hakko
2023-09-27 01:43:02 <Zarutian_iPad> used those, pretty reliable
2023-09-27 01:43:36 <Zarutian_iPad> not recommended for smd rework though on account of the tip being just too damn big
2023-09-27 01:44:11 <xelxebar    > What is an SMD?
2023-09-27 01:44:53 <Zarutian_iPad> Surface Mounted Device as opposite to Through-hole
2023-09-27 02:16:36 <MrMobius    > Zarutian_iPad: you can get any tip you want for your Hakko
2023-09-27 02:16:49 <MrMobius    > I switched mine out for a chisel tip
2023-09-27 14:36:08 <drakonis    > https://www.uiua.org/ wow neat
2023-09-27 14:50:24 <vms14       > it's quite cool
2023-09-27 14:50:36 <vms14       > it transforms words to symbols
2023-09-27 14:51:02 <vms14       > and it says you don't have to type the entire word, just enough to disambiguate
2023-09-27 15:07:55 <vms14       > it makes me wonder if i should play with this
2023-09-27 15:07:56 <vms14       > https://pdl.perl.org/
2023-09-27 15:08:08 <vms14       > i can steal it xd
2023-09-27 15:08:35 <vms14       > it's funny how many implementations of languages i can find in cpan
2023-09-27 17:00:29 <KipIngram   > Oh, neat - that will be fun to play with.
2023-09-27 17:02:40 <KipIngram   > Stack of arrays - that's right in line with what I've been thinking about.  I figure I'll support more than just arrays, but arrays will be a primary data type.
2023-09-27 17:03:19 <KipIngram   > I also want to support "multivectors," as in geometric algebra.  That would actually be a "structure" of arrays of various dimensions.
2023-09-27 17:03:50 <KipIngram   > A single stack item could specify "parts" of different order (scalar, vector, bivector etc.)
2023-09-27 21:02:45 <KipIngram   > I think this blog post has some good ideas in it:
2023-09-27 21:02:48 <KipIngram   > https://www.sacrideo.us/source-code-readability-elegance-and-complexity/
2023-09-27 21:20:28 <lagash      > What is the quickest way to determine how many bits a cell is? I'm assuming it involves CELLS?
2023-09-27 21:28:25 <GeDaMo      > If it's a standard Forth, there's an environmental query ADDRESS-UNIT-BITS which you can multiply by CELLS https://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/dpans/dpans3.htm#3.2.6
2023-09-27 21:31:47 <lagash      > Ah, well, apparently it's not. I have been messing around with DurexForth, for the C64.
2023-09-27 21:32:20 <lagash      > 2012 compatibility is somewhat lacking it seems.
2023-09-27 21:33:11 <lagash      > The C64 is an 8-bit machine, but I was fairly certain that Durex uses 16-bit cells. Just wanted to confirm. 16-bit cells is the minimum for Forth systems these days, yes?
2023-09-27 21:37:18 <KipIngram   > I don't really like the way uiua puts underscores between numbers.
2023-09-27 21:38:06 <KipIngram   > lagesh: If CELLS is defined then you can just say 1 CELLS . and it will print out bytes per cell.
2023-09-27 21:38:52 <KipIngram   > 8 CELLS . if you want bits.
2023-09-27 21:39:30 <KipIngram   > Gforth 0.7.3, Copyright (C) 1995-2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
2023-09-27 21:39:32 <KipIngram   > Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license'
2023-09-27 21:39:34 <KipIngram   > Type `bye' to exit
2023-09-27 21:39:36 <KipIngram   > 8 cells . 64  ok
2023-09-27 21:40:14 <lagash      > OK, that returns 16.
2023-09-27 21:40:45 <KipIngram   > Been a while since I used a 16-bit system.
2023-09-27 21:44:12 <KipIngram   > Oh, I do like how uiua lets you type names and then will render them into glyphs for you.
2023-09-27 21:44:44 <KipIngram   > That is actually a good idea - reduces the need for specific keyboard support and lessens the pain of the learning curve.
2023-09-27 21:44:58 <KipIngram   > I'm stealing that idea.
2023-09-27 21:48:50 <KipIngram   > It would be nice too if positioning the cursor on a glyph would (perhaps optionally) display the name somewhere too.
2023-09-27 21:58:09 <KipIngram   > I also want to be able to type those glyps directly without having to fumble down to that right alt key - that thing is a pain to get to.
2023-09-27 21:58:27 <KipIngram   > I'm likely to use ctrl on my caps lock key instead.
2023-09-27 21:59:53 <GeDaMo      > I saw an online APL which used pairs of characters to input the special APL characters
2023-09-27 22:00:25 <KipIngram   > Do you recall how it decided when to do that vs. just two separate chars?
2023-09-27 22:00:27 <GeDaMo      > https://tryapl.org/
2023-09-27 22:00:33 <GeDaMo      > It uses tab complete
2023-09-27 22:00:52 <GeDaMo      > Hover over the characters at the top
2023-09-27 22:02:41 <KipIngram   > Oh, I see.  Well, I'm planning a console interface, so "hovering" probably isn't in the cards.
2023-09-27 22:03:13 <GeDaMo      > You don't need to hover to input
2023-09-27 22:03:34 <GeDaMo      > It just shows the character combinations
2023-09-27 22:04:27 <KipIngram   > I see now.  That get the job done.
2023-09-27 22:18:55 <Zarutian_iPad> CELLS !
2023-09-27 23:18:13 <KipIngram   > Afternoon, Zarutian_iPad
2023-09-27 23:18:33 <KipIngram   > CELLS ! Segmentation fault