2023-11-18 00:13:40 <MrMobius    > veltas: sorry, no ill intentions towards you! legitimately curious and open minded. sorry if I caused any offense
2023-11-18 01:18:21 <KipIngram   > It's just flabbergasting to me the kind of stuff people will get on YouTube and talk about.  I try to mostly watch "conventionally educational" stuff, but now and again I'll let myself just ooze around, and wow you can find the most insane stuff.
2023-11-18 01:19:00 <KipIngram   > And there's always a vlogger who will talk with them and encourage them and oh and ah over it like it's most most amazing thing ever.
2023-11-18 01:19:41 <thrig       > p-HN_ICaCyM
2023-11-18 01:45:51 <MrMobius    > what flags do I need other than immediate and compile-only?
2023-11-18 01:59:07 <KipIngram   > Depends on your feature suite - that might be enough.
2023-11-18 01:59:49 <KipIngram   > I've used an additional one, but it was non-standard.
2023-11-18 02:00:18 <KipIngram   > I had a class of words that, when they were compiled, required an offset be compiled after then.  So I had a flag for that.
2023-11-18 02:01:09 <KipIngram   > Also, my current method for temporary words involves setting a flag to indicate that status, so that I know which ones to rip out of the list later.
2023-11-18 02:01:29 <KipIngram   > I'm going to do that in a different way this time, though, so I won't need such a flag.
2023-11-18 08:17:33 <veltas      > MrMobius: Thank you for clarifying, and apologies if I have misinterpreted.
2023-11-18 17:27:34 <KipIngram   > This is a good treatment:
2023-11-18 17:27:35 <KipIngram   > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation
2023-11-18 20:08:08 <ollephone   > How do I add all numbers on the stack?
2023-11-18 20:08:21 <ollephone   > Loop until stack is empty
2023-11-18 20:09:07 <GeDaMo      > Generally, you don't
2023-11-18 20:09:25 <GeDaMo      > Your code is supposed to know how many elements it's pushed onto  the stack
2023-11-18 20:09:56 <ollephone   > Booo
2023-11-18 20:10:16 <ollephone   > So use array instead?
2023-11-18 20:10:35 <thrig       > why not loop until the stack is empty?
2023-11-18 20:12:06 <ollephone   > Yes why not
2023-11-18 20:12:21 <GeDaMo      > How are you detecting the stack being empty?
2023-11-18 20:13:37 <ollephone   > By peeking the stack...? Peek poke
2023-11-18 20:14:04 <zelgomer    > SP@ SP0 - 1- DO + LOOP  or something like that. i don't remember all the conventional words and their semantics
2023-11-18 20:14:27 <user51      > looping with depth should do the trick
2023-11-18 20:14:34 <zelgomer    > SP@ and SP0 order depends on whether your stack grows up or down, of course
2023-11-18 20:15:20 <ollephone   > Another reason to have a bot in here ^^ `help sp@` etc
2023-11-18 20:15:36 <GeDaMo      > Hmmm ... I'd forgotten about depth
2023-11-18 20:16:28 <user51      > I usually look up words at https://gforth.org/manual/Word-Index.html
2023-11-18 20:16:36 <zelgomer    > it's really the DO..LOOP part i'm not confident with. when i got into forth i almost immediately went and defined my own control flow words that work a little differently, and i never remember the traditional vocab
2023-11-18 20:16:37 <GeDaMo      > : sum-stack  depth 0 tuck do + loop ;
2023-11-18 20:17:13 <zelgomer    > GeDaMo: maybe start at 1 though since + takes two parameters
2023-11-18 20:17:23 <GeDaMo      > That's what the tuck is for
2023-11-18 20:17:43 <zelgomer    > aaah
2023-11-18 20:18:10 <GeDaMo      > 1 without the tuck works too
2023-11-18 20:18:43 <ollephone   > Why is loop compile only?
2023-11-18 20:18:48 <user51      > : sum-stack begin depth 1 > while + repeat ;
2023-11-18 20:18:49 <GeDaMo      > : sum-stack  depth 1 do + loop ;
2023-11-18 20:19:18 <zelgomer    > ollephone: because in interpet mode your words are interpreted as soon as they're encountered, so there's no way for loop to jump back to a word that's already been parsed, executed, and forgotten about
2023-11-18 20:19:33 <GeDaMo      > ollephone: control flow usually means immediate words which insert things into the current word definition
2023-11-18 20:20:34 <GeDaMo      > You can write looping words for immediate mode if you want
2023-11-18 20:21:00 <ollephone   > Kk
2023-11-18 20:21:01 <zelgomer    > sure, but they would have to be parsing words, and conventionally they aren't
2023-11-18 20:21:03 <user51      > In gforth it's possible to write 10 0 [do] [i] . [loop] and so on
2023-11-18 20:22:28 <GeDaMo      > You could pass an xt
2023-11-18 20:22:45 <ollephone   > Yeah
2023-11-18 20:22:56 <ollephone   > xt and array? Like a functional map
2023-11-18 20:23:16 <user51      > Speaking of control flow, nowdays I call 'if' a ternary operation rather than a statement
2023-11-18 20:35:48 <GeDaMo      > ollephone: https://ideone.com/6e631h
2023-11-18 20:37:58 <user51      > That looks familiar :P
2023-11-18 20:38:37 <GeDaMo      > :P