2024-02-05 20:04:23 <lispmacs[work]> hi, I was just wondering if any particular approaches to building the forth backend lend themselves to better debugging, introspection, and traceability, maybe at the cost of some performance
2024-02-05 20:05:44 <lispmacs[work]> kind of a broad question, of course
2024-02-05 20:06:28 <lispmacs[work]> like, token-threaded vs indirect vs direct threading
2024-02-05 20:08:39 <lispmacs[work]> I suppose introspection comes down to what kind of type and oop system you incorporate
2024-02-05 20:09:40 <lispmacs[work]> but maybe you your ability to catch errors and trace code is affected by the system you use for storing and processing instructions?
2024-02-05 20:10:08 <lispmacs[work]> "instructions" as in calls to code, I mean
2024-02-05 21:17:56 <vms14       > i can't add comments like ( that)
2024-02-05 21:18:14 <vms14       > that inconsistency triggers me
2024-02-05 21:18:24 <vms14       > i need to add a space like ( that )
2024-02-05 21:19:10 <vms14       > but it seems forthwrights don't have a problem with that and they won't have a precious space when there is no need for it
2024-02-05 21:19:50 <vms14       > waste*
2024-02-05 21:24:45 <zelgomer    > i like to write my ( to parse words and look for ), and then i even allow nesting. makes commenting-out code temporarily while troubleshooting easier
2024-02-05 21:24:57 <zelgomer    > so mine tend to require a space before )
2024-02-05 21:25:25 <zelgomer    > but yes, seems like the convention is to use ( like this)
2024-02-05 21:25:35 <zelgomer    > which bothers me, too :)
2024-02-05 21:27:04 <vms14       > adding the extra space goes against simplicity i guess
2024-02-05 21:27:30 <vms14       > wasting precious spaces for nothing
2024-02-05 21:27:31 <thrig       > characters might have been tighter on a 1970s microcomp
2024-02-05 21:28:05 <zelgomer    > and it is /only/ a comment. but still, sometimes the quality of life is worth just a little more complexity
2024-02-05 21:28:40 <thrig       > that path leads to the Chrome side of the force
2024-02-05 21:29:36 <zelgomer    > all things within reason
2024-02-05 21:31:16 <vms14       > but we waste 8 bytes or even more to put a space that is not really needed
2024-02-05 21:31:48 <vms14       > 8 bits
2024-02-05 21:32:19 <vms14       > maybe this makes cry someone for all those bits that died in vane
2024-02-05 21:33:03 <vms14       > is cruel and selfish depend on how you look at it
2024-02-05 21:33:04 <zelgomer    > it's not just that byte, it's also the implementation
2024-02-05 21:33:46 <zelgomer    > : (  29 word 2drop ;  is a lot shorter than my implementation
2024-02-05 21:34:15 <vms14       > i guess i'll try to adapt to the common style, but i think i'll always cry inside
2024-02-05 21:35:42 <vms14       > but a real forthwright should have no trouble with that, because in the end ( is no different from " ." .( and alike
2024-02-05 21:36:07 <zelgomer    > yes, exactly. kind of makes me consider switching, tbh