2024-04-07 04:56:19 <KipIngram   > Hey, what do you call those little machines that cut letters and digits and shapes and stuff out of a piece of material?  Not a machine tool type thing - it's used a lot in arts and craft activities.
2024-04-07 04:56:55 <KipIngram   > Works almost like a printer, but what it gives you is a template you then use in later stages of whatever you're doing.  I think there's a brand name that's gotten used to refer to them.
2024-04-07 04:58:20 <KipIngram   > Ah, I found it.  Cricut.
2024-04-07 07:13:29 <Al2O3       > wibbit
2024-04-07 07:22:39 <KipIngram   > Gedamo: I'm watching that video (Mechanical Marvels).  It's good, but a little odd how he keeps trying to inject "public vs. private" into it in some strong way.
2024-04-07 07:23:08 <KipIngram   > "These PRIVATE automato..."
2024-04-07 07:24:20 <KipIngram   > Makes it all seem awfully political.
2024-04-07 07:24:37 <KipIngram   > "The privileged audience... invited by the prince..."
2024-04-07 07:25:06 <KipIngram   > It just feels like an odd topic to try to hang politics on.
2024-04-07 14:35:59 <veltas      > KipIngram: Is he British?
2024-04-07 14:37:04 <veltas      > A big thing in British politics is moaning about whether something's public or private, because privatisation was a hot topic at some point
2024-04-07 14:37:27 <veltas      > It's still discussed but it's just on autopilot, the original arguments don't even make sense at this point
2024-04-07 14:39:17 <veltas      > And I don't think I'd call it necessarily political, it's more ideological
2024-04-07 14:40:40 <veltas      > There's not a ton of 'safe' topics left here, I think it's just tax, privatisation, and the weather.
2024-04-07 15:27:53 <zelgomer    > taxation is theft
2024-04-07 17:13:42 <veltas      > Give back to Caeser what is Caeser's and to God what is God's
2024-04-07 17:23:03 <KipIngram   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ohh0cdgm_Y
2024-04-07 17:25:25 <KipIngram   > I get the "taxation is theft" argument - really everything the government does is a sort of coercion.  But I'd rather have at least some degree of choice as to my government, rather than just having whoever happens to be the toughest local strongman telling me what to do.  And that has to get paid for somehow.  Besides, the strongman would take from me too.  Anarchy is unstable - it's a vacuum that will be
2024-04-07 17:25:27 <KipIngram   > filled by SOMETHING.
2024-04-07 17:25:47 <KipIngram   > That said, you're not wrong.
2024-04-07 17:26:12 <KipIngram   > I definitely look at government as a "necessary evil," and we always seem to have more of it than I'd prefer.
2024-04-07 17:38:34 <veltas      > Yeah I agree, that vacuum guarantees a hierarchy.  If you dismantle the state then Barbeque takes over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Ch%C3%A9rizier
2024-04-07 17:46:02 <veltas      > But if you disassemble STATE you just get some boring mnemonics for pushing an address on the stack...
2024-04-07 18:14:33 <zelgomer    > what we have is exactly a tough strongman telling us what to do
2024-04-07 18:15:17 <zelgomer    > why can't you support voluntary taxation?
2024-04-07 18:51:59 <KipIngram   > I have no faith that it would work.
2024-04-07 18:52:13 <KipIngram   > Game theory would kick in.
2024-04-07 18:54:23 <thrig       > "Political Order and Inequality" by Carles Boix is an interesting read
2024-04-07 18:55:46 <zelgomer    > you have no faith in a system that doesn't involve robbing me
2024-04-07 18:55:46 <zelgomer    > got it
2024-04-07 18:56:19 <zelgomer    > please die in a car fire
2024-04-07 22:00:24 <KipIngram   > veltas: Yes, the narrator does appear to be British.  I didn't realize that was a cultural "thing."
2024-04-07 22:00:50 <KipIngram   > Interesting.  I'm sure we've got plenty of our own that I'm oblivious to through exposure.
2024-04-07 22:12:39 <KipIngram   > I really do find it astounding that they could, and did, make all of these things with all those tiny parts.  They just dropped a little screw onto a penny - the penny was probably a couple hundred times the mass of the screw.
2024-04-07 22:12:47 <KipIngram   > And that had to be made by hand.  Wow.
2024-04-07 23:25:00 <veltas      > thrig: Does that book argue in favour of anarchy being sustainable?
2024-04-07 23:26:00 <thrig       > no? it presents game theory reasons as to why various political forms would evolve, why non-innovative countries might take to expanding their borders, etc
2024-04-07 23:26:20 <veltas      > Okay
2024-04-07 23:26:39 <veltas      > Was just wondering if it was aimed at me or not, was going to ask more info about it
2024-04-07 23:27:03 <veltas      > I'm open to stuff that disagrees with me, but it sounds like it is going to be affirmation
2024-04-07 23:40:36 <veltas      > I do respect and find the whole anarchy thing fascinating, I just find myself concluding the soft anarchists get curbstomped by force, and the defensive anarchists turn into something not different enough from capitalism to be worth it