2024-04-15 00:00:19 <DKordic     > MrMobius: I see nothing but complications and overhead.  And anything written about it only confirms it.  They are clueless!!  It is a punishment for anyone who doesn't think and look enough.
2024-04-15 00:01:21 <MrMobius    > DKordic: running existing code in a browser is pretty cool and the performance is supposed to be ok. what are people writing about it that's so bad?
2024-04-15 00:01:25 <nature      > crc: Aaaah, you mean you can't decompile the names of the calls in the SEE right? So the output would be hard to read.
2024-04-15 00:01:48 <crc         > correct
2024-04-15 00:02:17 <crc         > it's basically no better than doing a dump: http://forth.works/temp/dump.txt
2024-04-15 00:03:33 <nature      > ok, I SEE now xD
2024-04-15 00:05:06 <nature      > Btw your forth will probably have a strong influence on mine! I really like the concept of sigils and quotations
2024-04-15 00:05:24 <crc         > my larger system doesn't have this limit (it tracks the pointer to previous entry, address, a pointer to a class handler, hash, a pointer to a string with the filename the word was defined in, and then the name of the word)
2024-04-15 00:05:41 <crc         > but the headers take a lot more space :)
2024-04-15 00:06:00 <nature      > But one thing I want to do different is to get rid of the compile/interpret state, so the sigils will dictate what gets compiled and how.
2024-04-15 00:06:09 <crc         > sigils & quotations are nice to have, in my opinion
2024-04-15 00:06:53 <nature      > I really like it yes, and also your implementation is very elegant and simple, it'd be a shame to miss that
2024-04-15 00:07:07 <crc         > you might want to look at FreeForth (http://christophe.lavarenne.free.fr/ff/) for ideas on eliminating state
2024-04-15 00:10:17 <nature      > I heard about it on reddit from the AbleForth guy. but I could not understand much of the ableforth vm code...
2024-04-15 00:12:48 <nature      > I'll have a look for sure, so far I was thinking that anything without a sigil is interpreted on the spot and sigil basically will dictate how to compile, like ',' compile a call and '^' inlines an opcode, ':' new dictionnary entry and for now that's it.
2024-04-15 00:13:18 <nature      > I just have to think on how to compile/interpret variable access and strings too
2024-04-15 00:13:34 <crc         > I didn't ever really try AbleVM/AbleForth
2024-04-15 00:16:27 <DKordic     > MrMobius: I am interested in You Experience Report.  Please enlighten me (honestly).  How difficult were the initial examples for You?  How straightforward was it?  Compared to RISC-V?  I see absolutely no advantage.  WASM restrictions are empty promises that is ""security"".
2024-04-15 00:18:04 <MrMobius    > DKordic: compared to RISC-V is an apples and oranges comparison. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm honestly asking since I admit I don't know much about webassembly. To answer your question, it wasn't very hard to get webassembly set up and outputting a listing which is what I wanted it to do
2024-04-15 01:08:39 <nature      > crc: Thanks for sharing FreeForth, looks like I'll be able to learn a lot from both the statelessness and the dictionary that grows from high to low mem! :)
2024-04-15 01:10:21 <nature      > I think mixing that with the sigils and quotations might lead to a very flexible and interesting forth
2024-04-15 16:27:47 <veltas      > lf94: Adding e.g. SIMD is trivial for any normal forth, if it's not already there
2024-04-15 16:28:18 <veltas      > As it's normal to have an assembler in the forth, and all the vector extensions are really easy to generate instructions for
2024-04-15 16:29:29 <Quex69      > UFO seen on north sky, over and out
2024-04-15 16:40:27 <veltas      > Sorry?
2024-04-15 17:47:39 <veltas      > Anyone got a simple x86 forth assembler I can steal?
2024-04-15 17:48:47 <nature      > I am currently reading and drawing some inspiration from freeforth for my own forth, it looks pretty simple imo
2024-04-15 17:49:53 <Quex69      > nature do you have any excperience of alien abduction
2024-04-15 17:50:53 <crc         > veltas: for 32-bit, https://codeberg.org/jmf/impexus/src/branch/main/rasc/rasc-x86.retro
2024-04-15 17:51:08 <Quex69      > draw your ecperience from that one, nature
2024-04-15 17:51:41 <Quex69      > i am middle aged
2024-04-15 17:53:35 <crc         > Quex69: what's prompting the UFO/alien stuff?
2024-04-15 17:54:51 <Quex69      > crc ive seen ufo
2024-04-15 17:55:08 <Quex69      > are you man in black?
2024-04-15 17:56:43 <crc         > I seldom wear non-black clothing
2024-04-15 18:00:30 <nature      > Quex69: nope, but I've seen a ufo once as a kid, nothing spectacular just weird ligths in the sky
2024-04-15 18:01:00 <veltas      > Thanks crc
2024-04-15 18:11:36 <crc         > Albert van der Horst ported his assembler to retro9, https://retroforth.org/get/apps/files/asm.forth
2024-04-15 18:13:36 <crc         > https://github.com/albertvanderhorst/ciasdis is his full assembler/disassembler
2024-04-15 18:24:51 <crc         > the only other one I have is http://forth.works/temp/asm3.txt which was part of retro3
2024-04-15 19:13:15 <Al2O3       > UFO was a nice band back in the day.
2024-04-15 19:13:26 <Al2O3       > they were to the best of my knowledge not aliens, or from A51
2024-04-15 19:13:42 <Al2O3       > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_%28band%29
2024-04-15 19:14:14 <Quex69      > Al2O3 its about band
2024-04-15 19:14:37 <Al2O3       > Quex69 sounded like you were talking abduction and space craft.
2024-04-15 19:14:37 <Quex69      > aliens are here though
2024-04-15 19:15:02 <Al2O3       > most would agree the lizards are the politicians.
2024-04-15 19:15:05 <Quex69      > Al2O3 ive never been abucted
2024-04-15 19:15:13 <Al2O3       > there is always a first time chance.
2024-04-15 19:15:20 <Quex69      > but ive seen alien craft
2024-04-15 19:15:24 <Al2O3       > pretty sure also, you would not be allowed to remember it.
2024-04-15 19:15:42 <Quex69      > it looked like a cigar
2024-04-15 19:15:52 <Al2O3       > Oh, I've seen all kinds of aliens, mostly in Hollywood, on the big screen and in theatre, along with protesting lines in front of government buildings.   :)
2024-04-15 19:16:03 <Quex69      > and it moved swiftle across skie
2024-04-15 19:16:16 <Al2O3       > Well, I would not expect it to move at any other speed.
2024-04-15 19:16:20 <Quex69      > Al2O3pay attention
2024-04-15 19:16:44 <Quex69      > it looked sivlery blue in reflection
2024-04-15 19:16:52 <Al2O3       > the best part of those that have seen alien craft, usually have no documentation of it other than 1st, 2nd or 3rd person reports.
2024-04-15 19:17:06 <Quex69      > and it didnt made any noise
2024-04-15 19:17:10 <Al2O3       > its kinda a false positive conundrum.
2024-04-15 19:17:23 <Quex69      > Al2O3 shut up
2024-04-15 19:17:32 <Quex69      > you dont tell me what i saw
2024-04-15 19:17:46 <Quex69      > i know what i saw
2024-04-15 19:17:58 <Quex69      > and it was weird as shit
2024-04-15 19:18:07 <Quex69      > :S
2024-04-15 19:19:03 <Quex69      > i am still in state of shock
2024-04-15 19:19:30 <Al2O3       > most confessions, and witness reports given in a state of shock are discounted as not trustworthy.
2024-04-15 19:19:44 <Al2O3       > so good luck, hope you sort it out.
2024-04-15 19:20:05 <Al2O3       > UFO could be a great meme for a forth implementation that simply tests 3 4 + unknown
2024-04-15 19:20:07 <Quex69      > Al2O3 youre a goat fyucker, shut up
2024-04-15 19:20:33 <Quex69      > obnoxious piece of shit too
2024-04-15 19:20:45 <crc         > Quex69: please be civil.
2024-04-15 19:20:52 <Quex69      > crc
2024-04-15 19:21:00 <Quex69      > sorry, ill me civil
2024-04-15 19:21:07 <Quex69      > im quiet
2024-04-15 19:31:13 <crc         > Quex69: you w
2024-04-15 19:31:30 <crc         > Quex69: you might want to visit #ufo for ufo-related chat
2024-04-15 22:38:40 <nature      > Not to feed the fire but as much as Quex69 sounds a bit enlightened, as I said I saw one too like decades ago. Nothing fancy, just three lights (looked like stars) soaring through the sky. Called the local observatory with my dad and they told us a few other people saw it and called, but they didn't know what it was. Just felt like nuancing a bit the conversation, not trying to start a discussion about it :)
2024-04-15 22:41:29 <zelgomer    > did it run forth?
2024-04-15 22:41:44 <nature      > Highly likely
2024-04-15 22:42:43 <nature      > Would it run a standard forth or more like a colorforth?