2024-04-23 00:47:35 <zelgomer    > i understand, just looking for hints
2024-04-23 00:50:46 <zelgomer    > i think what i'm trying to head toward is something where the word isn't linked into the vocabulary until ;.  so then you could write  : this is a host word ;  { : this is a target word ; }  : this is a host word in the target vocab { ; }  : host create does> ;  { : target create does> ; }  : cross { create does> ; }
2024-04-23 01:04:28 <zelgomer    > i remember the original problem now. it's that because my "latest" returns the head pointer to the current vocabulary, this falls apart:  : foo { ; }  because foo is hidden and then when ; tries to reveal it, the context is the target vocabulary. so of course it's easy to say "well just don't do that", but then this is broken:  : foo { create does> ... } ;  because it doesn't invoke the target ; so it
2024-04-23 01:04:34 <zelgomer    > doesn't compile exit into the target does> part
2024-04-23 01:30:36 <zelgomer    > 
ACTION changes the default base to hex. this is sure to fuck me over one day when i name a set of variables "a" "b" and "c"

2024-04-23 05:24:57 <Al2O3       > not sure if folks have seen this, maybe already linked...   https://www.forth.org/eforth.html
2024-04-23 05:25:20 <Al2O3       > historically, and hysterically implementations.
2024-04-23 05:26:16 <Al2O3       > the eforth32's K.DOC is particularly useful, entertaining and well, good stuff
2024-04-23 05:27:10 <Al2O3       > I'm not even a PC guy, found it useful.
2024-04-23 05:27:59 <Al2O3       > "If I find _you_ have made a profit on _my_ work, I will call my cousin
2024-04-23 05:27:59 <Al2O3       > Mohamed and have his camel leave a present on your keyboard."
2024-04-23 05:28:14 <Al2O3       > :)   I found this on a x86 PC version, so non PC.
2024-04-23 05:40:54 <Al2O3       > in discussion recently, about depth of stack usage...  "Programs that have so many items on the stack are just badly written." - forth primer, 'leo agrees with me'
2024-04-23 13:32:28 <lf94        > jesus lol.
2024-04-23 13:32:35 <lf94        > (at the quoted comment)
2024-04-23 13:33:24 <lf94        > also: programs with so many items on the stack are not necessarily badly written. they would just consider using the data stack instead for some stuff.
2024-04-23 13:40:14 <lf94        > tattoo idea:
2024-04-23 13:40:24 <lf94        > :; with the text underneath: define yourself
2024-04-23 13:40:26 <lf94        > lmfao
2024-04-23 13:54:02 <lf94        > https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1022340090535624744/1232297623864741928/forth-shirt2.png?ex=6628f218&is=6627a098&hm=ab98cf83269fa7248a1b1a9cffebe71a17fd2b8fac52cc9192300736de6842ee&
2024-04-23 13:59:52 <veltas      > HappyPassover: Would look but website's down
2024-04-23 13:59:57 <veltas      > forth.org
2024-04-23 14:10:32 <lf94        > : you ;
2024-04-23 14:10:34 <lf94        > could be a nice one too
2024-04-23 14:11:05 <lf94        > i like :; beside each other though
2024-04-23 14:11:11 <lf94        > makes a nice little insignia
2024-04-23 14:11:13 <lf94        > the cult of forth
2024-04-23 14:15:29 <veltas      > :; is definitely the ASCII logo for forth
2024-04-23 14:15:45 <veltas      > I think forth.com have that as their favicon
2024-04-23 14:15:50 <veltas      > Or ok
2024-04-23 14:15:58 <veltas      > Maybe forth-standard.org have it
2024-04-23 14:16:14 <veltas      > My github picture is just 'ok' printed in zenv
2024-04-23 14:16:46 <lf94        > Get :; tattooed to your neck
2024-04-23 14:16:57 <lf94        > "I've been bitten by Forth"
2024-04-23 14:22:15 <veltas      > I know we seem like a cult but we're actually more like high functioning addicts
2024-04-23 14:46:22 <zelgomer    > cults are singular in thought. forth is more like a nut house.
2024-04-23 14:48:45 <zelgomer    > and like an asylum, only a few of us are actually high functioning
2024-04-23 15:43:41 <GeDaMo      > https://web.archive.org/web/20190930051548/https://critical-hits.com/blog/2017/02/22/the-wizards-and-the-sheep/
2024-04-23 15:55:39 <crc         > HappyPassover: eforth32's licensing isn't really valid: "I hereby release the implementation, including executable and source code, of eForth-32 into the public domain.  It may be distributed free of charge, but may not be sold for any reason."
2024-04-23 16:17:43 <veltas      > Yeah it's a bit contradictory
2024-04-23 16:17:53 <veltas      > "no licence except this licence"
2024-04-23 16:18:40 <veltas      > Non-selling rule aside it's quite annoying you can't easily distribute software and claim you won't sue people for sharing/copying/modifying it
2024-04-23 18:36:45 <lf94        > yea
2024-04-23 23:46:37 <Al2O3       > that doesn't sound like a no license.
2024-04-23 23:46:56 <Al2O3       > sounds very much like you can have, modify, and use but not distribute for a fee.
2024-04-23 23:47:03 <Al2O3       > sound very clear to me.
2024-04-23 23:47:20 <Al2O3       > sounds a LOT like what used to be opensource.
2024-04-23 23:47:34 <Al2O3       > if you remember prior to about '92-3
2024-04-23 23:47:48 <Al2O3       > then it became very convoluted and obtuse.
2024-04-23 23:47:53 <thrig       > the Moria author said something along those lines
2024-04-23 23:48:28 <Al2O3       > aka, yellowdog type stuff.
2024-04-23 23:49:02 <Al2O3       > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux
2024-04-23 23:49:24 <Al2O3       > and prior maybe, dead hat
2024-04-23 23:49:35 <Al2O3       > or as I used to call them, dead rat, or dread phat
2024-04-23 23:50:26 <thrig       > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.roguelike.angband/c/gFiS2tV_-AA/m/Gp7g-TfuJmUJ
2024-04-23 23:50:57 <Al2O3       > like rc-cola, rogue like is not the real thing :)
2024-04-23 23:51:31 <Al2O3       > best mixed drinks (if there is such a thing) are with coca cola, and rogue in fortran.
2024-04-23 23:51:38 <Al2O3       > on a cdc6K