2024-04-26 00:21:34 <HappyPassover> ola
2024-04-26 03:14:38 <KipIngram   > Ola, HappyPassover,
2024-04-26 03:14:45 <HappyPassover> happy 4th
2024-04-26 03:14:57 <KipIngram   > :-)
2024-04-26 03:15:11 <HappyPassover> sad day for oceanside, been on that pier a few times...   https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/fire-on-oceanside-pier-creates-massive-smoke-plume/3498690/
2024-04-26 03:15:24 <KipIngram   > Oh man.  That sucks.
2024-04-26 03:15:26 <HappyPassover> could have used a forth controller to make sure the fire systems worked right, and such.
2024-04-26 03:15:29 <HappyPassover> yah, it does.
2024-04-26 03:15:38 <HappyPassover> oh well, glad folks weren't dead (apparently)
2024-04-26 03:16:10 <HappyPassover> been to ruby's
2024-04-26 03:16:33 <KipIngram   > Yeah, for sure.  There was a little deli in the town I grew up in that I ate luch at a lot when I was working for a little newspaper nearby.  Long history.  Then they had a fire and were no more, and it was kind like that - like a piece of local history was just gone.
2024-04-26 03:16:55 <KipIngram   > That was before everything was a fast food chain outlet.
2024-04-26 03:17:01 <HappyPassover> yah, oceanside is a destination spot, but its a tiny town per se, and local for sure.
2024-04-26 03:17:46 <HappyPassover> so weird to have been there, done that, and watch it burn.
2024-04-26 03:18:01 <KipIngram   > Yes - I totally get it.
2024-04-26 03:18:11 <KipIngram   > Like a little piece of you got ripped out.
2024-04-26 03:19:16 <HappyPassover> kinda sorta
2024-04-26 03:19:22 <HappyPassover> or burned up :)
2024-04-26 03:19:44 <HappyPassover> walked that pier many times, around the end, around ruby's and back down, then again, and fished off it, etc.
2024-04-26 03:19:54 <HappyPassover> I bet the pier is fine to the point of eatery.
2024-04-26 03:20:12 <HappyPassover> looks like they got the underside pretty well out, the building might be an insurance claim now.
2024-04-26 03:21:03 <HappyPassover> anyway, if they had some pi4th systems in their, doing their job with some sensors, and wifi out, well this might have been avoided unless it was literally instant (fuel, fumes, etc, aka arson)
2024-04-26 03:22:19 <HappyPassover> what you been doing?
2024-04-26 03:27:27 <zelgomer    > your mother
2024-04-26 03:38:33 <KipIngram   > I've been watching a ton of videos on little stories from computing history.  Man, there were some serious grudge matches in that business.
2024-04-26 03:39:16 <KipIngram   > The guy that ran Sinclair and the guy that worked for him and then left and started Acorn even got into a fight in a London pub at one point.
2024-04-26 03:39:38 <KipIngram   > Apparently the Acorn guy ran an ad comparing Acorn and Sinclair customer return rates.
2024-04-26 03:39:52 <KipIngram   > 5% for Acorn, 25% for Sinclair.  Sinclair was less than happy.
2024-04-26 03:40:26 <KipIngram   > The Acorn guy had already beaten him out to supply computers to the BBC.
2024-04-26 03:40:52 <KipIngram   > I hadn't realized that Acorn was the birthplace of ARM.
2024-04-26 03:41:14 <KipIngram   > Originall it stood for "Acorn RISC Machine."
2024-04-26 03:41:44 <KipIngram   > Changed to "Advanced" later when they spun it off as its own company.
2024-04-26 03:42:48 <KipIngram   > Apparently they were barely able to get the board to let them add thE Thumb stuff - the board had its eyes on the high end computing market.
2024-04-26 03:43:12 <KipIngram   > But Thumb is what got them into all the mobile applications, and I think they just wouldn't be who they are today if they hadn't done that.
2024-04-26 03:43:54 <KipIngram   > Oh, and it was almost an accident it was as low power as it was.  The only reason they were originally trying for low power was so they could put it in a plastic package instead of ceramic.
2024-04-26 03:44:01 <KipIngram   > Had to be under a watt for that.
2024-04-26 03:44:14 <KipIngram   > But when they got the prototypes back, it came in at 0.1 watt.
2024-04-26 03:44:37 <KipIngram   > After initially being zero watts.
2024-04-26 03:45:01 <HappyPassover> yes there were, and still are.
2024-04-26 03:45:13 <KipIngram   > No joke - the first measurement said zero, because the guy had failed to connect the power pin.  The chip was running off of leakage through the protection diodes.
2024-04-26 03:46:24 <iyzsong     > oh, that's truely magic O.O
2024-04-26 03:54:37 <KipIngram   > There's a ton of those stories; I found a couple of YouTube channels that seem to specialize in them.  LowSpecGamer and RetroBytes.
2024-04-26 03:55:10 <KipIngram   > It's just a little sad that they never mention Forth.  :-(
2024-04-26 05:11:32 <HappyPassover> well, being Forth is a niche language/system and community, yet most modern Macs at one time ran on a Forth boot system, its amazing not that folks don't care.
2024-04-26 05:12:13 <HappyPassover> talk to most millions of Mac owners for the past 20 or so years, they have no idea what is Forth, but its what got their hardware all aligned before it was running OSX.
2024-04-26 05:18:25 <zelgomer    > most users of any consumer electronic have no idea what a transistor is
2024-04-26 18:12:43 <lf94        > foooooorth
2024-04-26 18:12:49 <lf94        > Im starting to see the appeal of a "forth editor"
2024-04-26 18:13:31 <lf94        > also there was a nice paper i saw in the journal of forth about reworking VARIABLE
2024-04-26 18:14:04 <lf94        > My take on it is, it introduces way too many words, vs just using @ and !
2024-04-26 18:14:20 <lf94        > create words for the complex accesses
2024-04-26 18:14:22 <lf94        > etc
2024-04-26 18:14:24 <lf94        > or common accesses
2024-04-26 18:15:47 <lf94        > i generally dont like variable anyway. abstracts away the already simple create
2024-04-26 18:16:54 <lf94        > I like the idea of "TO"
2024-04-26 18:17:09 <lf94        > crc what's your take on that
2024-04-26 19:19:56 <crc         > I don't use VALUE and TO, but that's probably partially due to having @ and ! sigils
2024-04-26 19:21:52 <crc         > I use `fetch` and `store` instead of @ and ! (as words)
2024-04-26 19:26:31 <crc         > For me, variables are pretty simple. Values have extra overhead.
2024-04-26 20:22:38 <lf94        > agreed
2024-04-26 20:47:53 <crc         > http://forth.works/share/qVPhwBwjzI.txt is the implementation of value/to that I have in my blocks. It's never been used.