2024-04-28 00:00:17 <HappyPassover> lol
2024-04-28 00:00:45 <HappyPassover> not my gig to troll for code response.
2024-04-28 00:00:58 <HappyPassover> but appreciate folks have a kick starter somewhere in their mid to hind brain.
2024-04-28 00:01:42 <Zarutian_iPad> no no, like releasing a small game or such where the manual is just the same file renamed
2024-04-28 00:07:41 <HappyPassover> hehehe
2024-04-28 00:07:49 <HappyPassover> well, there are players, and then playaz
2024-04-28 00:48:18 <zelgomer    > rendar> zelgomer, can you give me an example on how your recurse works?
2024-04-28 00:48:35 <zelgomer    > : forever  ." lol" self ;
2024-04-28 00:51:01 <zelgomer    > what's different from "recurse" is that it's not an immediate word with special compilation logic. it's a real word like anything else. which means you can do...   :noname ( -- xt)  ." hello" cr ' self ;  execute execute execute ( prints "hello\nhello\nhello\n)
2024-04-28 01:08:33 <KipIngram   > Apple considered the 88000 for that new line of Macs, but didn't; they considered the ARM and didn't, and finally went with the PowerPC.  Only to eventually come back around to ARM again later.
2024-04-28 01:09:12 <KipIngram   > About that same time the only other significant user of the 88000 dropped it too and it died.
2024-04-28 02:40:20 <cheater     > arm was hot garbage back then
2024-04-28 02:40:29 <cheater     > so i'm not surprised
2024-04-28 02:50:52 <KipIngram   > They seem to have at least gotten the Thumb part right fairly early on (I know it wasn't initially in there - apparently they had to fight with their board to get permission to put it in).  It sounded from the story I heard like it was almost immediatly strong in the emerging mobile market.
2024-04-28 02:51:18 <KipIngram   > Since it turned out almost accidentally to be quite low power even before Thumb.
2024-04-28 02:52:02 <KipIngram   > That's probably not fair - the guy was trying to keep the power down.  But not at all for the sake of power - he just needed to get it low enough to go in a plastic package, and wound up way undershooting that mark.
2024-04-28 02:52:08 <KipIngram   > Under in the good way.
2024-04-28 02:53:51 <KipIngram   > I've seen videos on a lot of the RISC processors the last few days, and the one I got the best impression of was SPARC.
2024-04-28 03:28:02 <KipIngram   > rendar: Re: Apple predicting RiscV, it didn't offer that much detail - mostly just that they anticipated multi-core ideas well earlier than they actually showed up.
2024-04-28 03:34:35 <KipIngram   > The project was something of a mess - they somehow decided the needed to buy a Cray supercomputer to design the thing, but then wound up discovering that the Sun workstations they attached to the Cray ran the design software faster than the Cray did.
2024-04-28 03:34:58 <KipIngram   > The Cray was optimized for a particular kind of number crunching and... that wasn't it.
2024-04-28 04:37:27 <HappyPassover> cray eventually ran on distributed networked commodity PCs as I recall.
2024-04-28 04:43:01 <HappyPassover> as a nice side note, around '10 or so I bought a pinball machine from a guy, listing it for a pretty hefty price back then, and looked at it.   Came to a nice suburb home, large for just a couple, maybe 5000 sq ft.   Entered with the guy, and went into his den.   I was like, there is no pinball machine here...   He literally touched a wall panel on his library, and the door opened to a hidden arcade that was about 1000+ sq ft of the home.   Turns
2024-04-28 04:43:01 <HappyPassover>  it was John (not cray) from Cray computer.
2024-04-28 04:43:14 <HappyPassover> I bought the game, have had it since.
2024-04-28 04:48:36 <KipIngram   > That wouldn't surprise me - it is kind of the way the whole supercomputer industry wound up going.
2024-04-28 04:48:59 <KipIngram   > Their stuff was a lot more interesting earlier on, when it was actually "novel."
2024-04-28 04:50:01 <KipIngram   > That's a cool story.
2024-04-28 04:50:21 <KipIngram   > I guess if you've done well why not indulge your hobbies.
2024-04-28 04:50:37 <KipIngram   > I'm not sure what I'd get if I could get "most anything," buT I'm sure I could think of something.
2024-04-28 04:52:08 <KipIngram   > The neat thing about the cluster architecture is that if you wanted to "play with the technology" you could - just at a low-performance scale.  Just use RPi's and regular networking - the software bits could all be the same.
2024-04-28 04:53:02 <HappyPassover> oh, this guy did very well, I think he held many patents while at Cray, and was their lead guy in software and hardware for a decade.
2024-04-28 04:53:17 <HappyPassover> it wasn't john cray, it was john ???, and I'm googling now and my emails to find his last name.
2024-04-28 04:53:55 <HappyPassover> as for the computer arch, it was to be parallel, distributed, and eventually had to be cheap becuase buying a cray, maintaining a cray circle was millions of dollars.
2024-04-28 04:54:47 <KipIngram   > Cray was Seymour, I believe.
2024-04-28 04:55:34 <HappyPassover> right, TY
2024-04-28 04:55:43 <HappyPassover> my mistake.
2024-04-28 04:55:46 <KipIngram   > Yeah, Apple dropped $15 million on the one they bought, and built a whole new building on their campus for it.  And apparently they bought it in record time and it only took them 6 weeks to build the building, using 24/7 shifts.
2024-04-28 04:55:56 <KipIngram   > They really had a burr under their saddle.
2024-04-28 04:56:10 <HappyPassover> lol
2024-04-28 04:56:12 <HappyPassover> no surprise.
2024-04-28 04:56:22 <HappyPassover> part of maybe the ATG gropu.
2024-04-28 04:56:38 <KipIngram   > Long long ago I read up on the Cray architecture.  Back in the early 1980's I read a good bit about parallel / special architectures.
2024-04-28 04:56:39 <HappyPassover> or even more 'black op'
2024-04-28 04:57:02 <HappyPassover> well, then it was transputer, or cray
2024-04-28 04:57:06 <KipIngram   > Then the world went and wound up doing parallism in an entirely different way from the main way they thought about it back then.
2024-04-28 04:57:09 <HappyPassover> at least that is how I recall it
2024-04-28 04:57:28 <HappyPassover> well, it became distributed computing.
2024-04-28 04:57:38 <KipIngram   > In those days people talked about very fine-grain parallelism - if you tried to do that on modern multicore chips the cache conflicts would just kill you.
2024-04-28 04:57:49 <KipIngram   > Yeah.
2024-04-28 04:58:06 <KipIngram   > Flow-based models fit modern designs better.
2024-04-28 04:58:53 <KipIngram   > And Apple was kind of trying for a black op - this was all supposed to be highly secret, but it was painfully obvious that they were up to SOMETHING.
2024-04-28 06:34:32 <KipIngram   > This video is on a specific topic, but he says he's doing it in a "disturbingly modern way" so it winds up being quite a jaunt through containers, Kubernetes, and a whole slew of other cutting edge app development methods.  It's not a "how to," but it's a good 50,000 foot overview:
2024-04-28 06:34:34 <KipIngram   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLVHXn79l8M&list=PLQdJM3NpqP6FDse__vd1fy3m4bucoLVSl&index=50
2024-04-28 06:35:17 <KipIngram   > It's bringing out a few "whys" about all this tech I hadn't quite latched onto before.
2024-04-28 09:39:13 <rendar      > KipIngram, i see!
2024-04-28 19:21:24 <lf94        > I got the bitcoin miner working :)
2024-04-28 19:21:31 <lf94        > $ gforth sha256-gb.f -e bye
2024-04-28 19:21:33 <lf94        > 6F E2 8C A B6 F1 B3 72 C1 A6 A2 46 AE 63 F7 4F 93 1E 83 65 E1 5A 8 9C 68 D6 19 0 0 0 0 0
2024-04-28 19:21:44 <lf94        > block hash for block 0: 000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
2024-04-28 19:21:54 <lf94        > (my gforth output paste is cut-off)
2024-04-28 19:22:02 <lf94        > (and reverse output order lol)
2024-04-28 19:22:15 <lf94        > actually no it isn't cut off, nice
2024-04-28 19:23:09 <lf94        > uses 48 bytes of WRAM. beautiful
2024-04-28 19:23:57 <veltas      > Nice
2024-04-28 19:45:41 <HappyPassover> well, good deal!
2024-04-28 19:46:06 <HappyPassover> hope you get a tesla in the end.
2024-04-28 19:46:08 <HappyPassover> :)
2024-04-28 19:47:00 <HappyPassover> also wonder if you get coin finds that where linked to criminal behavior or law breaking basturds, does that make you liable.
2024-04-28 19:47:13 <HappyPassover> any more than money (paper) that was laundered.
2024-04-28 19:56:47 <lf94        > that doesn't make sense :)
2024-04-28 19:57:07 <lf94        > you can't mine coins that are already mined
2024-04-28 19:57:16 <lf94        > (also the term "mine" is a misnomer)
2024-04-28 20:15:11 <HappyPassover> phishing for coin :)
2024-04-28 20:33:09 <lf94        > lol
2024-04-28 20:39:16 <HappyPassover> ever seen folks magneto fish in creeks, lakes, and rivers?
2024-04-28 20:39:25 <HappyPassover> its hillarious, and I see 'bit coin mining' as quite the same.
2024-04-28 20:39:37 <HappyPassover> fun, maybe interesting, and a huge waste of time for the most part...   Until you score :)
2024-04-28 20:40:21 <thrig       > I don't miss having to pressure wash "brother, have you heard the good word of bitcoin" spam off the mail servers
2024-04-28 20:53:31 <HappyPassover> lol
2024-04-28 20:53:35 <HappyPassover> it was such a fun time.
2024-04-28 20:53:52 <HappyPassover> like the mabahbo guy, johnny.
2024-04-28 20:54:34 <HappyPassover> if it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit, rots like shit, its shit.
2024-04-28 20:55:13 <HappyPassover> the hillarious, and sad part is a bunch of folks I know, educated, 'smart', and with plenty of skills bit on the coin.
2024-04-28 20:55:28 <HappyPassover> some took large bites, others I know bought a complete round of drinks for their pals.
2024-04-28 20:56:05 <HappyPassover> greatly I don't know anybody personally that lost it all.
2024-04-28 21:01:47 <Zarutian_iPad> onecoin scam?
2024-04-28 21:37:52 <HappyPassover> or nextcoin scam :)
2024-04-28 21:38:02 <HappyPassover> or thatcoin scam
2024-04-28 21:41:14 <HappyPassover> what I'm waiting for is the ron jeremy xxx coin, that would be a wheener
2024-04-28 21:41:37 <HappyPassover> an opportunity missed
2024-04-28 21:42:16 <Zarutian_iPad> a rather spunky that one?
2024-04-28 21:42:18 <HappyPassover> maybe that would be a RPN topic after all, Ron Plans NTF thing
2024-04-28 21:42:48 <HappyPassover> kinda of a recursive algo, I heard ron blew himself.