2024-06-23 00:00:47 <zelgomer    > yeah. i think i found what i'm looking for, digikey has some they just call a jumper kit. i could have swore i've seen a stranger name for it before.
2024-06-23 00:02:16 <Zarutian_iPad> jumper or such wires, with male pins for bradboard use but female seaths for pin header use
2024-06-23 00:03:17 <zelgomer    > everything i have is male because i'm a chauvanist. i thought there was a special name for the female sheath. maybe it's a vagina.
2024-06-23 00:08:51 <zelgomer    > dupont is the word i was looking for. guess that's just a synonym for jumper. never knew that!
2024-06-23 00:10:21 <Zarutian_iPad> dupont is a name of a company, maybe they made it first?
2024-06-23 00:12:45 <zelgomer    > yeah, probably a xerox situation
2024-06-23 00:51:52 <thrig       > https://xkcd.com/243
2024-06-23 04:53:27 <zelgomer    > yup
2024-06-23 16:03:25 <smlckz      > Are professional forth programmers such monsters? https://chaos.social/@Mecrisp/112648663032553523
2024-06-23 16:07:56 <smlckz      > To get a better idea, how many people are there whose code have been sent to space?
2024-06-23 16:13:50 <zelgomer    > either tell me what it says or give me a link that doesn't require javascript
2024-06-23 16:45:22 <veltas      > smlckz: Forth was the first high-level language in space, and was at one point quite popular among astrophysicists
2024-06-23 16:46:49 <GeDaMo      > https://www.forth.com/resources/space-applications/
2024-06-23 16:49:33 <veltas      > smlckz: Mecrisp's a more exceptional Forth programmer, to be fair
2024-06-23 16:51:05 <veltas      > His project(s) are some of the few good open optimising Forths, and the best choices for embedded development which is the main real use case for Forth remaining
2024-06-23 17:01:18 <veltas      > Although writing space firmware is not an incredible feat on its own
2024-06-23 17:01:55 <veltas      > It just sounds good, I'd use it if I had
2024-06-23 17:02:03 <GeDaMo      > It can be a little difficult updating them when they're a few million miles away :P
2024-06-23 17:02:27 <veltas      > We don't update ours even though we can
2024-06-23 17:03:12 <veltas      > If you write highly regulated code it's all the same, and it's awful
2024-06-23 17:06:48 <veltas      > I 'got out of' a space project at work, although almost tried to get in just to say I had done space work
2024-06-23 17:07:05 <veltas      > But that's not a good business rationale
2024-06-23 23:44:26 <zelgomer    > can we talk about this top down versus bottom up development thing?
2024-06-23 23:45:58 <zelgomer    > i got into a conversation with someone at $dayjob about it. he says he considers himself a bottom-up developer. i actually don't feel like i can claim to belong to either one.
2024-06-23 23:48:16 <zelgomer    > for me it's like a top-down-and-back-up-again round trip. i define the interface (be it a user interface or an api) sort of drive a dependency graph, and then i fill out that graph from the bottom up.
2024-06-23 23:49:17 <zelgomer    > i've seen people do what i think forthers describe as bottom up development, and they usually end up writing a bunch of apis nobody ever needed or will ever use
2024-06-23 23:50:00 <zelgomer    > which seems in contradiction with another typical forth axiom: solve the problem you have right now.