2024-08-01 11:54:38 <rendar      > zelgomer, my Forth has prefixes sigils to specify types, e.g. #u8 1
2024-08-01 12:08:04 <zelgomer    > what does that do?
2024-08-01 13:14:29 <drakonis    > zelgomer: defines data sizes
2024-08-01 13:47:54 <zelgomer    > don't know what that means but i don't think it's what i was asking about
2024-08-01 13:52:56 <veltas      > Yeah my first question is what e.g. #u8 1 #u16 2 + would do, what it would even mean, etc
2024-08-01 13:53:09 <veltas      > It just raises more questions than anything, having type sigils like that with no explanation
2024-08-01 13:56:04 <drakonis    > it adds a 8 bit unsigned integer to a 16 bit unsigned integer?
2024-08-01 13:56:11 <drakonis    > cpu magicks
2024-08-01 13:57:02 <drakonis    > its what i understand
2024-08-01 13:57:16 <drakonis    > its real good for doing binary packing
2024-08-01 14:01:39 <veltas      > Oof someone sat on a router
2024-08-01 14:02:29 <veltas      > What was that about
2024-08-01 14:43:27 <veltas      > The whole "edge-triggered" vs "level-triggered" concept for epoll makes no sense to me, coming from GPIO
2024-08-01 14:44:27 <zelgomer    > level triggered means epoll_wait will continue to return the event until you take the action required to clear it
2024-08-01 14:44:53 <zelgomer    > edge triggered means what it sounds like
2024-08-01 14:45:32 <olle        > You guys ever heard of $vau calculi? https://klisp.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/jshutt.pdf
2024-08-01 14:49:17 <drakonis    > ah yes, that one's great.
2024-08-01 14:51:55 <olle        > drakonis: Not sure if serious
2024-08-01 14:52:58 <drakonis    > its a cool thing, is what i mean
2024-08-01 14:53:02 <drakonis    > there's also forsp
2024-08-01 14:53:56 <drakonis    > the repository is gone though
2024-08-01 14:54:00 <drakonis    > klisp, that is.
2024-08-01 15:04:16 <olle        > klisp is dead, unfort
2024-08-01 15:13:07 <veltas      > zelgomer: I'm just saying I don't think the concept translates that well to that high in the stack
2024-08-01 15:13:16 <veltas      > Just feels too brutish to me
2024-08-01 15:13:31 <veltas      > Dunno just uncomfortable with it, very subjective I know
2024-08-01 15:32:27 <drakonis    > https://xorvoid.com/forsp.html pretty good though
2024-08-01 15:33:03 <drakonis    > its kinda like a best of both worlds and is rather similar to kernel
2024-08-01 15:34:16 <olle        > drakonis: interesting
2024-08-01 15:34:41 <olle        > I'm playing around with DSL, and used S-expr and Forth as basis for two experiments, written about here http://olleharstedt.github.io/programming/php/dsl/2024/05/25/report-generating-domain-specific-language-php.html
2024-08-01 15:34:52 <olle        > But would like to try $vau as next step.
2024-08-01 15:39:43 <zelgomer    > veltas: i've never actually looked into the history of it, but from the man page text, i had the impression that they started with level triggered and found that most people found it confusing and it isn't actually what most applications want, so they changed the default to edge triggered later. or some kind of story like that.
2024-08-01 15:45:00 <drakonis    > olle: its quite interesting
2024-08-01 15:45:07 <drakonis    > the things you can do with it
2024-08-01 15:45:13 <drakonis    > still gotta make it performant though
2024-08-01 15:47:55 <drakonis    > https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~pbl/papers/thesisqmwphd.pdf neat
2024-08-01 15:48:05 <drakonis    > and not restricted to the realm of lisps
2024-08-01 16:28:49 <olle        > drakonis: Performance doesn't matter much for my DSL use-case
2024-08-01 16:28:57 <drakonis    > fair enough