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<veltas>
I mean you look at the roman empire, they had a few good emperors and a lot of bad emperors. But a lot of those bad emperors were never really in charge anyway.
00:02:20
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<veltas>
Got to look out for those bad emperors that *are* in charge
00:03:43
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<KipIngram>
How do you know not to do something again if you don't know how bad it went the last time it was tried?
00:05:25
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<veltas>
True that
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<KipIngram>
Oh man. Yeah.
00:05:54
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<KipIngram>
At least the ones that don't know get to be excited on the way in.
00:20:57
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<veltas>
But how close are we to AGI? Does anyone here know a lot about AI research?
00:26:42
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<thrig>
someone pinned it to 100 billion in profits, which seems much in the line of "AI as a term invented to get money"
00:40:20
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<nmz->
AGI requires more than a word pattern guesser
00:41:00
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<nmz->
when you think, your prefrontal cortex imagines, it plays games, it simulates several realities and then tells you what's going to happen, you then translate that into words
00:41:28
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<nmz->
LLMs are text based, they don't know what a picture is, they don't know what graphics are
03:07:14
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<KipIngram>
Also, the way you know how to simulate those realities is by having operated in the world - moved your body around, interacted with things, etc. - that's how you know how these simulations are likely to go. So it may be that real intelligence requires that as well.
04:03:58
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<nmz->
that's a physics thing then
04:04:36
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<nmz->
which is a part of the simulated game thing
04:45:11
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<Russtopia>
Hello! Saw the posting on lemmy about the gforth bot!
04:45:28
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<Russtopia>
Now... to learn some gforth :p
04:45:43
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<Russtopia>
!gforth
04:52:22
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<Russtopia>
Uhm... !gforth .s
05:45:53
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<nmz->
and he gone
05:45:58
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<nmz->
shame, shame
06:20:51
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<xentrac>
!gforth .s
06:20:52
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<gforth_eval_bot>
<0>
06:21:41
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<xentrac>
nmz-: probably nobody knows what AGI requires because probably nobody has built one yet
06:22:28
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<xentrac>
airplanes don't have to flap their wings
08:24:30
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<nmz->
xentrac: yeah... but at least I can tell via how I think
09:33:44
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<veltas>
I'd expect experts to have predictions for how much longer it will take, with a lot of variability
09:34:05
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<veltas>
Hard to find experts and not just hype monsters, though
09:45:01
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<veltas>
I'm going to have to find a project to do in konilo
09:45:08
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<veltas>
Probably best way to learn it
12:19:27
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<xentrac>
nmz-: if introspection were sufficient to understand the mind, we'd have had AGI about 60 years ago
12:20:16
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<xentrac>
also much less debate about philosophy and psychology
19:13:29
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<Guest47>
!gforth 1 .
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<gforth_eval_bot>
1
19:37:14
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<deadmarshal_>
!gforth 1 2 swap
19:37:16
##forth
<deadmarshal_>
!gforth 1 2 swap .s
19:37:17
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<gforth_eval_bot>
<2> 2 1
19:43:57
##forth
<crc>
!gforth version-string type
19:43:58
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<gforth_eval_bot>
0.7.3
20:05:12
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<pgimeno>
!gforth : testelse if 1 else 2 else 3 else 4 then ; 1 testelse . . 0 testelse . .
20:05:12
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<gforth_eval_bot>
3 1 4 2
20:05:37
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<pgimeno>
!gforth : testelse if 1 else 2 else 3 else 4 then ; 1 testelse . . 124 emit 0 testelse . .
20:05:38
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<gforth_eval_bot>
3 1 |4 2
20:08:31
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<xentrac>
(this behavior is required by the Forth standard, which is hosted on the same web server as the GForth documentation because of the large overlap in contributors)
20:19:36
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<pgimeno>
yes, it was discussed some weeks ago I believe
20:20:30
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<pgimeno>
though the extra info about the contributors overlay is new :)
20:20:37
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<pgimeno>
to me at least
20:20:56
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<pgimeno>
overlap*
20:23:05
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<xentrac>
I noticed this when the server went down for a few days recently
21:51:10
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<Russtopia>
!gforth 1 2 + .
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<gforth_eval_bot>
3
21:55:20
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<lispmacs[work]>
!gforth . . .
22:00:51
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<Russtopia>
!gforth words