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<crc>
veltas: re: eink devices
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<crc>
- I've had no issues with my Boox Go 6, but I've seen numerous reports indicating poor quality control on at least some of their models & they don't appear to be very responsive for warranty issues
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<crc>
- I've run Konilo on a Mobiscribe Wave (B&W). I don't recommend this one. The storage is slow, and the screen has terrible ghosting when running programs other than the built in stuff
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<crc>
- I've run it on a Viwoods AiPaper Mini. (I don't use the AI junk on this, but it's a work device I use mainly for note taking). Performance is good, and the screen quality is nice.
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<crc>
The AiPaper is expensive though, and the AI program on it has a dedicated soft button that's annoyingly easy to hit & not yet remappable.
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<crc>
- I've run it on a Supernote Nomad A6X2. (Note: this is my personal favorite eink tablet of the ones I've used). Performance is better than the Go 6, but notably slower than the AiPaper.
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<crc>
- I don't recommend Kindles (I have a Scribe, also a work device). While there is a jailbreak now, running programs is troublesome, and I've not built an ilo for it.
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<crc>
- I've used older eink Barnes & Noble Nook devices. With Termux side loaded, it runs Konilo, but I've had ghosting issues, and their device partitioning reduces usability a lot.
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<crc>
(They reserve a large amount of storage for books & content from their store)
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<crc>
- I have no recent experience with PocketBook (these run Linux & were quite open in the past, not sure on current ones), Remarkable (seems pretty closed, from what I've read), or Bigme (runs Android).
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<crc>
- I mostly use it on the Go 6, since that device is small enough to be easily taken with me everywhere and the Nomad A6X2, which I keep on hand around 80% of the time.
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<xentrac>
nice, thanks!
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<crc>
with regards to ghosting, the boox devices have a variety of refresh modes, with varying levels of ghosting to performance. I run in "speed" mode. There is a software button to force a full refresh as needed.
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<crc>
and the supernote nomad has a gesture bar on the left & right sides; a swipe up on the right side does a full refresh
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<veltas>
Remarkable is open, but there isn't a lot of support for the open ecosystem
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<veltas>
It's just a Linux tablet
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<veltas>
Not android though
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<veltas>
It doesn't sound like a good option if I'm interested in running e.g. a terminal locally
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<crc>
the aipaper has recently added a gesture (diagonal swipe from the top left to center) for full refresh. It has some refresh modes; I use "ultrafast" on this most of the time
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<veltas>
So given I don't want to spend a lot, would you recommend either Boox Go 6 or Supernote Nomad A6X2?
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<crc>
go 6 is $149 usd, a6x2 is $299, so the go 6 is better from a cost perspective
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<veltas>
Looks like it's a lot more expensive in europe
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<veltas>
Both of them are, actually
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<crc>
the only real thing I dislike on the go 6 is the lack of support for emr stylus, so no handwriting support
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<crc>
makes sense; you'll have VAT & probably some extra cost associated w/longer warranty periods
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<crc>
prices here will probably rise soon as tariffs take effect
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<veltas>
Even before VAT it's a lot higher
14:27:53
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<veltas>
Probably inefficient distribution or something, maybe UK/EU tariffs
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<veltas>
We have a lot of tariffs too
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<veltas>
Might also be because consumer protections are different, and the yield is bad, so they have had to increase price to make a profit with returns of bad equipment
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<veltas>
Has anyone here run PDP-11 Forths?
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<veltas>
On a PDP-11 or emulator?
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<DKordic>
veltas: What are you looking for? I heard MSP430 is like PDP-11, so Mecrisp and noForth might be interesting.
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<veltas>
Who knows what I'm looking for at this point
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<crc>
hmm, a continuation retrobsd, nice to see :)
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* crc should do a konilo port; there was a retroforth port for retrobsd at one point
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<xentrac>
:)
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<xentrac>
that sounds awesome
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<xentrac>
crc: I don't suppose you've taken any measurements of power consumption for e-ink screen updates, have you?
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<crc>
xentrac: I don't have any way to test that
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<xentrac>
yeah, it can be challenging
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<crc>
It'll be something to look at if I decide to try running an eink display on the hardware konilo machine at some point
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<xentrac>
my best estimate so far is 10-100 millijoules per screen update
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<xentrac>
even for very small screen updates
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<xentrac>
you'll note that that's (a) a lot of energy and (b) a ridiculously vague range