02:10:52
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<soweli_iki>
hey thrig, i'm enjoying your 3-5-7-11-13 piece
02:15:45
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<soweli_iki>
they aren't primes, but you should try 8-12-15-18-20 sometime as well
02:21:52
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<soweli_iki>
another fun thing might be to use those ratios you chose to select your pitches, instead of randomly selecting a chord. though the chord you chose is very nice for a drone piece
02:26:31
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<soweli_iki>
this is a nice ambient work. i will probably listen to it during work hours
02:38:36
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<xentrac>
pilin seme, soweli_iki?
02:38:47
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<soweli_iki>
mi pilin pona mute
02:38:55
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<soweli_iki>
jan xentrac o, sina pilin seme?
02:39:05
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<xentrac>
mi pona!
02:39:16
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<soweli_iki>
pona a
02:42:18
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<soweli_iki>
sina sona ala sona e tomo ##tokipona? o kama!
02:43:00
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<xentrac>
mi sona ala e toki Toki Pona :-(
02:43:07
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<soweli_iki>
taso, sina toki pona!
02:43:13
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<xentrac>
a a a
02:43:26
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<soweli_iki>
nasa a
02:50:52
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<soweli_iki>
"No. Just that sentence and this one explaining it."
08:06:25
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<DKordic>
I must admit forth "standards" are magical.
08:19:00
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<veltas>
DKordic: What way?
08:19:03
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<veltas>
Magically bad?
08:20:45
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<DKordic>
veltas: I tryed to make a joke alluding to Magic Number.
08:23:29
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<DKordic>
IMHO the essence of Forth is Function Composition. Naturally We should have First-Class Functions, therefore HOFs.
08:25:55
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<DKordic>
I finally see and agree that Forth standard is counter-productive. AFAIK F83 was significant for it's time. Promethean even.
08:27:04
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<veltas>
Well I think the committee would prefer that kind of forth
08:27:11
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<veltas>
But it doesn't mix well with the classic Forths
08:27:19
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<veltas>
So they should fork really
08:27:50
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<veltas>
crc's dialects are good function composers, as far as I can tell, not that I have a lot of experience with retro or konilo
08:29:08
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<veltas>
KA11 is really nice, PDP-11 was a really nicely designed machine
08:29:29
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<veltas>
I might be biased because I spend a lot of time on stuff that was implemented and inspired by the PDP-11, though
08:33:05
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<DKordic>
I wouldn't like to exclude Interoperability. IMHO "Operating System" is a _confused_ concept!! If I were to rationalize it (out of desperation?), it's essence would be Object System, like CLOS. Why can't We impot the Parser from a C Compiler?
08:40:13
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<DKordic>
In other words, Lisp, CAR, CDR, FORTH, Scheme are indeed Cargo Cult.
08:42:29
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<DKordic>
Forth is Lisp without the errors.
08:46:11
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<DKordic>
I think Retro is not interesting enough to even mention it. Joy is also confused!!
08:53:34
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<DKordic>
AFAICS PDP-11 has no intersection with reality. Everything I heard about it was not merely vague but vapid. My impression is they would say at least something tangible if only that had anything.
08:58:45
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<veltas>
PDP-11 is a real computer that existed and was quite influential
08:59:08
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<veltas>
And I'm just reading the handbook at moment, and implementing an assembler for it in my block editor
08:59:30
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<veltas>
And I'm enjoying the addressing modes, etc, it's quite a nice design
09:13:24
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<veltas>
This is a bit mad actually but a good few years ago, I used to take my rubbish thinkpad out into the garden to code
09:13:49
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<veltas>
I would just turn the LCD off and sit in indirect sunlight, and I could see what was on screen if I have strong black-on-white contrast configured
09:13:58
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<veltas>
Turn off the LCD backlight I mean
09:14:18
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<veltas>
And the battery lasted a decent amount that way
09:14:37
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<veltas>
But yeah colour LCD's aren't meant for this, so it's not exactly clear
09:15:02
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<veltas>
On the subject of eink and epaper!
09:20:15
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<DKordic>
I had a similar idea. I tryed (and failed) to replace a few backlight LEDs on a TV. And was wondering how could I use it as a low-power display.
09:27:55
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<DKordic>
I do wonder why there are no monochrome 8K LCD.
10:25:02
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<user51>
Could an interpreting-only forth work?
10:27:18
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<user51>
Dunno how it will work entirely, but I'm guessing that words like :, IF, and so on would leave their position on the return stack, and words like ;, THEN would validate that the address on the RS points to the "starting" word.
10:27:41
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<user51>
Well, you'll still need to compile definitions somehow, so it's just me thinking out loud for now.
10:31:35
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<user51>
Instead of modes, maybe we could track rstack depth. Who knows.
12:39:38
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<DKordic>
user51: What do You mean "interpreting-only"? CPU is indeed an interesting kind of interpreter. What is interesting at all about text interpretation?
12:49:57
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<DKordic>
What would be an alternative to placing instruction encodings at whatever address A and redirecting PC to address A?! Example: ``A to PC''? gforth is an offense to reason.
13:14:01
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<GeDaMo>
DKordic: I'm not sure what you're asking about
13:17:11
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<DKordic>
GeDaMo: Sorry and thank You. In short gforth (for example) is _worse than nothing_. IT's "abstraction"s are nothing but obstructions.
13:21:40
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<GeDaMo>
That doesn't really clarify what you're asking
13:21:49
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<GeDaMo>
Do you intend to write your own Forth?
13:25:34
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<GeDaMo>
Mayube I missed the start of this
13:32:39
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<DKordic>
Yes, I do. I will clarify it with a proof of concept. I apologize for rambling.
13:48:43
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<GeDaMo>
"MOVING FORTH Part 1: Design Decisions in the Forth Kernel by Brad Rodriguez"
14:21:13
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<cleobuline>
ForthBot: .S
14:21:13
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<ForthBot>
Stack: 1 2
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<cleobuline>
ForthBot: + .
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<ForthBot>
3
15:57:48
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<cleobuline>
ForthBot: SOURCE @ PRINT
22:11:08
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<tabemann>
DKordic, what are your objections to gforth exactly?
22:34:23
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<xentrac>
fpuvmbcueravn :-)