00:56:34
##forth
<cleobuline>
i will do a red-black tree if necessary to improve speed
03:07:12
##forth
<cleobuline>
every one is sleeping ?
05:23:27
##forth
<crc>
cleobuline: not everyone :)
11:06:35
##forth
<KipIngram>
veltas: Yes, it's not a bad price at all. Not "rock bottom," but if you're building anything serious at all it's not bad. I just thought it had a really nice suite of peripherals.
11:07:14
##forth
<KipIngram>
I like the idea of having a Forth OS on that thing that's all rigged to support those - it would be a nice starting point for most any project I can think of.
11:13:24
##forth
<KipIngram>
You also don't need a programmer for it - it's set up so it presents a storage device when you connect it, and you can just drop a firmware image onto it and it will program itself.
12:43:48
##forth
<xentrac>
it sounds a lot like an ESP32
12:45:15
##forth
<xentrac>
except with a working low-power mode, but slower, more expensive, less RAM, and without Wi-Fi
12:47:00
##forth
<xentrac>
the ESP32 doesn't have a built-in switchmode power supply
12:47:49
##forth
<xentrac>
"Fully Open-Source Bluetooth 5.2 Stack Available" is nice to see; the ESP32 doesn't have that
13:43:44
##forth
<KipIngram>
Nice. What I actually bought wasn't the chip - it's a small board with the chip and various sorts of support circuitry. I'll mount it as a daughter board on my project boards.
13:44:50
##forth
<KipIngram>
I try to avoid surface mount parts for my personal hobby stuff. I have self-assembled using surface mount parts a time or two, but it's just kind of nerve wracking to me.
13:45:26
##forth
<KipIngram>
I squeegeed paste onto the board, hand-placed the parts, and then used a toaster oven with some little "melt indicators" in it to gauge when to stop.
13:45:41
##forth
<KipIngram>
First time I tried it I cooked the PCB; second time went ok, though.
13:46:15
##forth
<KipIngram>
There just wasn't an awfully wide window between "success" and "ruined board."
13:47:17
##forth
<KipIngram>
I probably ought to look more into getting the SMT assembly done by the same place that makes the boards; I've just never investigated it.
13:48:00
##forth
<KipIngram>
Anyway, I've got a half-dozen of those little boards out in the garage.
16:20:25
##forth
<xentrac>
it sounds like either your toaster oven was very poorly controlled or you were heating it up far too slowly
16:22:58
##forth
<xentrac>
cooking FR4 in a short period of time should require temperatures of over 300 degrees, which is nowhere near soldering temperature even for lead-free solders
17:14:03
##forth
<KipIngram>
I don't remember it all well enough to discuss details. This was about 22 years ago.
17:16:14
##forth
<xentrac>
PID control is motherfucking magi
17:16:17
##forth
<xentrac>
cc
17:37:55
##forth
<MrMobius>
is there a community for that maxim chip? that counts for a lot when the datasheet is wrong or they haven't added an errata to the list yet
17:39:16
##forth
<MrMobius>
kind of disappointing the msp430 community has mostly died off since I love that MCU
17:41:58
##forth
<xentrac>
TI isn't really a "community" company
17:42:22
##forth
<xentrac>
it's more an "oilfield" and "milspec" company
17:42:39
##forth
<xentrac>
what do you like about the MSP430?
17:43:12
##forth
<xentrac>
(TI did fund a GCC port to the MSP430)
17:43:37
##forth
<MrMobius>
doesn't matter what the company does if the users form their own community
17:43:53
##forth
<MrMobius>
although TI did do a lot to encourage the community with their launchpad stuff
17:44:25
##forth
<xentrac>
what was their launchpad stuff?
17:45:59
##forth
<MrMobius>
the launchpads are dev boards for msp430 and some of their ARM chips
17:46:46
##forth
<MrMobius>
they came out after the Arduino craze and were beginner friendly but actual C programming than Arduino
17:47:06
##forth
<MrMobius>
TI actually did two separate GCC ports
17:51:10
##forth
<xentrac>
how did the launchpad "encourage the community"? was it open-source hardware like Arduino?
18:03:27
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: LOAD "test.fth"
18:03:36
##forth
<cleobuline>
multi: SEE TEST-CASE
18:03:54
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: SEE TEST-CASE
18:03:55
##forth
<mforth>
: TEST-CASE CASE 1 OF ." UN " CR ENDOF 2 OF ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF ." TROIS " CR ENDOF ." Others " CR ENDCASE ;
18:04:12
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: 2 TEST-CASE
18:04:13
##forth
<mforth>
DEUX
18:04:37
##forth
<cleobuline>
victoire !
18:05:36
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
18:05:36
##forth
<mforth>
.S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP DOUBLE FACT POW FIBONACCI COUNTDOWN TUCK SUM_SQUARE CUBE SUM_CUBES RECUNACCI CAT :D PGCD FPRIME? FPRIME2? SEED COUNT NUMS STARS INIT-RANDOM
18:08:32
##forth
<cleobuline>
ths version has a dynamic dictionnary so it can handle as many words as you want and also varables strings and arrays in a linked list so it can also andle as many variable you want
18:09:53
##forth
<cleobuline>
variables in a linked list is not optimal , but i do it for the sport :)
18:11:17
##forth
<veltas>
xentrac: Being beginner friendly I guess. Their docs are supposedly quite good generally
18:11:18
##forth
<cleobuline>
next i will do all in a red-black tree so it will recover words and variables very fast
18:11:52
##forth
<veltas>
May main turn-off with TI is they seem expensive, but you get what you pay for
18:28:36
##forth
<xentrac>
veltas: that sounds more like "encouraging customers" than "encouraging a community"
18:43:11
##forth
<thrig>
military and oil folks tend to have a lot of money
18:45:01
##forth
<xentrac>
they're also kind of anti-community
18:45:49
##forth
<xentrac>
I mean Lockheed Martin doesn't want to share their schematics even with Bechtel if they don't have to, much less the People's Liberation Army
18:47:17
##forth
<xentrac>
and Chevron doesn't want to share their schematics with ExxonMobil
18:47:57
##forth
<xentrac>
they have plenty of people inside their own companies to share schematics with; they don't need to post on EEVblog
18:48:21
##forth
<xentrac>
(and firmware, errata, measured curves, etc.)
19:10:55
##forth
<MrMobius>
ya good documentation helps
19:10:58
##forth
<MrMobius>
they were selling the launchpad for $4.30 for a while
19:12:29
##forth
<MrMobius>
veltas: ya expensive for sure but nbd in quantity 1 :P
19:16:22
##forth
<MrMobius>
going into low power mode with one instruction is q neat trick too
19:22:36
##forth
<xentrac>
MrMobius: were other vendors making their own Launchpads and selling them? because that would be the start of a community
19:23:09
##forth
<MrMobius>
no idea
19:23:28
##forth
<MrMobius>
I'll let you Dunning-Kruger in peace at this point
19:35:18
##forth
<xentrac>
dude, my dad worked for TI
19:35:50
##forth
<xentrac>
I was building circuits out of TI parts when you were probably wetting your diapers
19:36:34
##forth
<xentrac>
my desire to avoid dealing with TI is unfortunately very well founded
19:59:38
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
19:59:50
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: HELLO
20:00:06
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: CR
20:00:17
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
20:05:37
##forth
<cleobuline>
lforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
20:05:48
##forth
<cleobuline>
lforth: HELLO
20:08:46
##forth
<cleobuline>
lforth: WORDS
20:08:55
##forth
<cleobuline>
coincé
20:43:47
##forth
<cleobuline>
forth: WORDS
20:43:57
##forth
<cleobuline>
mmm
21:20:34
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
21:20:38
##forth
<cleobuline>
zut
21:29:01
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
21:29:01
##forth
<mforth>
.S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
21:49:18
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
21:49:18
##forth
<mforth>
.S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
21:58:55
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
21:58:55
##forth
<mforth>
USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
21:59:25
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: USERNAME @ PRINT
21:59:26
##forth
<mforth>
cleobuline
21:59:30
##forth
<cleobuline>
kool
22:00:39
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour , " USERNAME PRINT CR ;
22:00:50
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: HELLO
22:00:50
##forth
<mforth>
Bonjour ,
22:01:04
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: FORGET HELLO
22:01:04
##forth
<mforth>
Forgot everything from 'HELLO' at index 60 (dict was 61, now 60; mem count now 1)
22:01:51
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour , " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
22:01:58
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: HELLO
22:01:58
##forth
<mforth>
Bonjour ,
22:07:41
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Bonjour , " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
22:07:44
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: HELLO
22:07:44
##forth
<mforth>
Bonjour , cleobuline
22:08:58
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
22:08:59
##forth
<mforth>
USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP HELLO
22:24:16
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: LOAD "test.fth"
22:24:47
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: 2 TEST-CASE
22:25:00
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
23:03:07
##forth
<cleobuline>
forth: LOAD "test.fth"
23:03:12
##forth
<cleobuline>
forth: 4 TEST-CASE
23:07:11
##forth
<cleobuline>
forth: LOAD "test.fth"
23:07:18
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
23:07:18
##forth
<mforth>
USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP
23:07:41
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: LOAD "test.fth"
23:07:41
##forth
<mforth>
Unknown word in definition: CASE
23:09:36
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: LOAD "test.fth"
23:09:39
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
23:29:02
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : TEST-CASE CASE 1 OF ." UN " CR ENDOF 2 OF ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF ." TROIS " CR ENDOF ." Others " CR ENDCASE ;
23:29:17
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: 3 TEST-CASE
23:42:12
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : TEST-CASE CASE 1 OF ." UN " CR ENDOF 2 OF ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF ." TROIS " CR ENDOF ." Others " CR ENDCASE ;
23:42:17
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: WORDS
23:42:18
##forth
<mforth>
USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP TEST-CASE
23:42:33
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: 3 TEST-CASE
23:42:33
##forth
<mforth>
TROIS
23:46:29
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Hello " USENAME @ PRINT CR ;
23:46:29
##forth
<mforth>
Unknown word in definition: USENAME
23:46:40
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: : HELLO ." Hello " USERNAME @ PRINT CR ;
23:46:50
##forth
<cleobuline>
mforth: HELLO
23:46:50
##forth
<mforth>
Hello cleobuline
23:46:55
##forth
<cleobuline>
:)
23:52:18
##forth
<xentrac>
ha