IRC Log - 2025-04-02

00:13:55 ##forth <veqq> I'm sorry, I meant: How would you implement an array language like APL in Forth

04:52:31 ##forth <neauoire> Have you seen CoSy?

04:52:52 ##forth <neauoire> https://aplwiki.com/wiki/CoSy

05:47:56 ##forth <xentrac> it vaguely sounds familiar

05:58:44 ##forth <neauoire> he's in like every forth meetup showcasing that thing

05:58:56 ##forth <neauoire> there's a bunch of videos o youtube showing the implementation details and ux

06:08:32 ##forth <xentrac> oh neat

06:08:44 ##forth <xentrac> I should check them out

06:08:54 ##forth <xentrac> I haven't been very good at doing things lately

08:23:45 ##forth <veqq> neauoire: Thank you! I had not

09:35:51 ##forth <veltas> Is there source for it somewhere?

09:37:03 ##forth <veltas> Would be relatively easy to SIMD / parallelise array op words

13:34:49 ##forth <pgimeno> veltas: the difference is that, as I see it, encoding strings as numbers makes programming easier (you can store them in regular variables or constants, for one) while getting rid of stacks in favour of using bignum-as-Turing-tape complicates everything a lot

13:35:08 ##forth <pgimeno> my remark was not just the "it can be done" kind, but the "it can be useful" kind

13:54:27 ##forth <crc> veqq: an apl-like thing in forth is something I'm interested in writing, but I've not had time to devote to this yet

13:55:32 ##forth <crc> https://github.com/chmykh/apl-life might be an interesting starting point if GPLv2 is acceptable

13:56:05 ##forth <veltas> pgimeno: Sorry didn't mean to seem dismissive

13:56:38 ##forth <crc> (I've not personally looked at this due to license, but it's described as conway's life in an apl written in forth)

14:33:38 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: 1 1024 << .

14:33:38 ##forth <mforth> 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216

14:35:18 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: 255 NUM-TO-BIN

14:35:18 ##forth <mforth> 11111111

14:38:22 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: " Un affreux monstre poilu avec des gros yeux et des grandes dents " IMAGE

14:38:22 ##forth <mforth> DEBUG: Stack underflow in IMAGE

14:40:28 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: " Un affreux monstre poilu avec des gros yeux et des grandes dents " IMAGE

14:40:42 ##forth <mforth> https://i.ibb.co/TDV7WV1D/mforth-image-a-Ur26-M.png

14:40:52 ##forth <cleobuline> nice :)

14:41:19 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: " a string " .

14:41:19 ##forth <mforth> 0

14:41:25 ##forth <cleobuline> perfect

16:09:21 ##forth <konilo-bot> Konilo via IRC

16:09:58 ##forth <crc> (konilo bot open for testing, for now; full release to come)

16:19:14 ##forth <cleobuline> crc what is the syntax ?

16:22:15 ##forth <crc> https://konilo.org/manual/uniquedialect.html would be a starting point for this

16:22:56 ##forth <crc> a "!konilo hello" in the channel to start a session; sigils guide the compiler; word names will differ from standard in some cases

16:23:24 ##forth <crc> an example definition might look like:

16:23:40 ##forth <crc> :n:square (n-m) dup n:mul ;

16:24:30 ##forth <crc> strings: 'hello_world s:to-upper s:put nl

16:24:44 ##forth <crc> numbers are prefixed with a # sigil: #1 #2 n:add

16:25:36 ##forth * crc will be responding to questions periodically; at work, so response times will vary based on how busy we are

18:00:42 ##forth <thrig> response times will also depend on the speed of light and routing delays

18:07:29 ##forth <crc> a few notes on this: each user has a separate image, stacks, and blocks. Data will ultimately be persistent. Runtime per query is limited to approx. 60 seconds.

19:02:34 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: WORDS

19:02:34 ##forth <mforth> USERNAME .S . + - * / MOD DUP DROP SWAP OVER ROT >R R> R@ = < > AND OR NOT XOR & | ^ ~ << >> CR EMIT VARIABLE @ ! +! DO LOOP I WORDS LOAD CREATE ALLOT ." CLOCK BEGIN WHILE REPEAT AGAIN SQRT UNLOOP +LOOP PICK CLEAR-STACK PRINT NUM-TO-BIN PRIME? FORGET STRING " 2DROP IMAGE TEMP-IMAGE

19:02:50 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: LOAD "test.fth"

19:02:59 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: HELLO

19:02:59 ##forth <mforth> Hello cleobuline How are uou ?

19:16:21 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: 3 TEST-CASE

19:16:22 ##forth <mforth> TROIS

19:16:57 ##forth <cleobuline> mforth: SEE TEST-CASE

19:16:57 ##forth <mforth> : TEST-CASE CASE 1 OF ." UN " CR ENDOF 2 OF ." DEUX " CR ENDOF 3 OF ." TROIS " CR ENDOF ." Others " CR ENDCASE ;

19:25:30 ##forth <cleobuline> portrait of mforth https://i.ibb.co/mCNBzwpp/mforth-image-rt-Q0fg.png

22:00:59 ##forth <crc> !konilo shutdown

22:00:59 ##forth <konilo-bot> Shutting down...

23:12:40 ##forth <veltas> I promised myself I wouldn't stick my neck out, and get involved in this toxic never-ending debate, but...

23:13:08 ##forth <veltas> If it affects debugger state, hints, etc, then it's not a NOP

IRC Log - 2025-04-02 - ##forth