2025-05-11 00:14:41 <cleobuline  > forthBot: EXIT
2025-05-11 00:26:12 <cleobuline  > easy to kill xentrac
2025-05-11 00:27:27 <cleobuline  > i just whant over to play with
2025-05-11 00:27:33 <cleobuline  > others
2025-05-11 00:30:55 <cleobuline  > sorry i am drunk
2025-05-11 00:35:46 <xentrac     > it's good to have others play with it!
2025-05-11 00:35:55 <xentrac     > sorry to hear you're drunk
2025-05-11 00:36:00 <xentrac     > I hope you feel better tomorrow!@
2025-05-11 00:42:23 <cleobuline  > xentrac:  do you see  micro-forth in assembly ?
2025-05-11 00:43:06 <cleobuline  > but i will not go foreward with it
2025-05-11 00:44:08 <xentrac     > I did visit the page
2025-05-11 00:44:13 <xentrac     > but I did not try runnign it
2025-05-11 00:44:34 <cleobuline  > it works
2025-05-11 00:45:03 <cleobuline  > i spend hours to debug save registers etc
2025-05-11 00:45:21 <cleobuline  > it'as a headake
2025-05-11 00:45:40 <xentrac     > writing things in assembly is always a bit slower
2025-05-11 00:46:05 <xentrac     > but I find it relaxing because there's no man behind the curtain
2025-05-11 00:46:12 <xentrac     > so you can be more sure that it will work
2025-05-11 00:47:32 <xentrac     > I haven't written a lot of stuff in assembly, if you don't count compiler output (in a sense when I write the compiler I'm writing the assembly that the compiler will emit, especially with the really dumb compilers I've written like https://github.com/kragen/stoneknifeforth and http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/)
2025-05-11 00:47:42 <cleobuline  > there are no magics in the code just save register and call primitives
2025-05-11 00:49:22 <xentrac     > but I did write a web server, the runtime support library for Ur-Scheme, a Tetris game, a simple task-switching library for C, and an interpreter for a dynamic object-oriented language with multiple dispatch
2025-05-11 00:51:59 <anthk_      > on that, I'd love a bootable and forth for x86 under a pendrive, or a floppy even
2025-05-11 00:52:04 <anthk_      > s,and,ans
2025-05-11 00:53:12 <cleobuline  > nice ...
2025-05-11 00:54:24 <xentrac     > anthk_: you can get pretty close with F-83 running under FreeDOS
2025-05-11 00:54:43 <xentrac     > if you put "@F83" in AUTOEXEC.BAT
2025-05-11 00:54:48 <anthk_      > yep, and svardos
2025-05-11 00:54:50 <anthk_      > with MINA
2025-05-11 00:54:51 <anthk_      > I tried
2025-05-11 00:55:38 <anthk_      > which is ciforth?
2025-05-11 00:58:01 <anthk_      > mmm yes, close
2025-05-11 00:58:35 <anthk_      > https://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/mna4d0d6.zip
2025-05-11 00:58:56 <anthk_      > I would rip out the documentation (or dump the PDF into a TXT file) and that's it
2025-05-11 01:03:39 <xentrac     > nice
2025-05-11 01:03:50 <xentrac     > I'd forgotten about this
2025-05-11 01:10:51 <cleobuline  > tinyboot1.tbf1 :)
2025-05-11 01:10:54 <cleobuline  > interresting
2025-05-11 01:11:13 <anthk_      > heh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43949559
2025-05-11 01:11:36 <anthk_      > .r as u.r it's because eforth under subleq lacked that :p
2025-05-11 01:14:11 <anthk_      > now I expect Don Hopkins to post some similar PostScript code for that fractal
2025-05-11 01:24:01 <xentrac     > I feel like that should be doable
2025-05-11 01:24:14 <xentrac     > thanks for the link! I posted a comment on the thread too
2025-05-11 01:29:56 <anthk_      > also
2025-05-11 01:30:02 <anthk_      > from the C code in the blog
2025-05-11 01:30:45 <anthk_      > : sier cr 32 0 do 32 0 do i j and if ." _ " else ." M " then LOOP cr LOOP ;
2025-05-11 01:54:35 <xentrac     > I did something like that just now too :)
2025-05-11 01:54:49 <xentrac     > except I think you should cr before the inner do
2025-05-11 01:54:52 <xentrac     > I even picked 32!
2025-05-11 01:59:22 <anthk_      > 32 factorial?
2025-05-11 01:59:34 <anthk_      > ah, the limit
2025-05-11 02:00:34 <anthk_      > I didn't refresh the page
2025-05-11 02:01:02 <anthk_      > and I forgot about 'bl'
2025-05-11 02:01:33 <xentrac     > well, I forgot about ."
2025-05-11 02:01:57 <xentrac     > which I think is a better approach than dup emit emit
2025-05-11 02:08:18 <anthk_      > now, otoh, mandelbrot with forth... it's possible without complex numbers
2025-05-11 02:08:29 <anthk_      > I saw it under open firmware
2025-05-11 02:09:47 <anthk_      > ah yes
2025-05-11 02:09:49 <anthk_      > https://sites.google.com/view/win32forth/win32forth-readme/mandelbrot-in-6-lines
2025-05-11 02:12:32 <xentrac     > yeah, it's not too hard; in https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/-/blob/master/yeso/mand.lua I just wrote out the real arithmetic
2025-05-11 02:12:40 <wolfdog     > complex numbers are just spicy pairs of floats ;)
2025-05-11 02:12:42 <xentrac     >       zx, zy = zx*zx - zy*zy,     2 * zx*zy     -- zᵢ₋₁²
2025-05-11 02:12:44 <xentrac     >       zx, zy = zx*zx - zy*zy + x, 2 * zx*zy + y -- zᵢ = zᵢ₋₁⁴ + c
2025-05-11 02:13:13 <xentrac     > that's the quartic version though
2025-05-11 02:13:39 <xentrac     >       zx, zy = zx*zx - zy*zy + x, 2 * zx*zy + y   -- zᵢ = zᵢ₋₁² + c
2025-05-11 02:13:46 <xentrac     > is the usual quadratic version
2025-05-11 02:13:46 <anthk_      > i know
2025-05-11 02:14:02 <anthk_      > I have the straight implementation in tcl
2025-05-11 02:14:07 <anthk_      > yes, binoms
2025-05-11 02:14:29 <anthk_      > the math library it's plain tcl; and the forth scientific library does the same
2025-05-11 02:15:11 <wolfdog     > tcl <3
2025-05-11 02:15:26 <wolfdog     > i'm currently writing a stack lang running on top of tcl, for fun
2025-05-11 02:15:27 <anthk_      > even jimtcl can borrow tcl's complex.tcl file as is
2025-05-11 02:16:13 <anthk_      > eh, with tcl you could create a simple forth at light speed...
2025-05-11 02:16:48 <wolfdog     > i guess, yeah :) it's still fun to do though
2025-05-11 02:32:58 <anthk_      > wait, dc it's turing complete?
2025-05-11 02:33:51 <anthk_      > I always tought of dc as a crippled RPN calculator
2025-05-11 02:34:17 <anthk_      > with a stack and registers but not far more
2025-05-11 02:36:18 <anthk_      > ah, it has some input support
2025-05-11 03:08:04 <xentrac     > what makes dc Turing-complete is that you can store strings in registers and run them