2025-09-01 02:55:26 <vms14       > why the heck c-value is documented in gforth's ffi but does not fucking exist?
2025-09-01 02:55:38 <vms14       > Undefined word >>>c-value<<<
2025-09-01 02:55:55 <vms14       > yet here is documented https://gforth.org/manual/Declaring-C-Functions.html
2025-09-01 03:01:10 <vms14       > maybe i have an old version
2025-09-01 03:02:57 <vms14       > seems to be the reason
2025-09-01 03:03:00 <vms14       > gforth 0.7.3
2025-09-01 03:12:21 <vms14       > :0 newest gforth comes with xlib bindings
2025-09-01 04:43:10 <vms14       > it installed the entire world, but there are no xlib bindings
2025-09-01 04:43:41 <vms14       > yet it comes with minos2 and there is a file x11-actors that says "also x11" yet there is no x11 nowhere :/
2025-09-01 05:03:01 <vms14       > oh i have found the x.fs file :D
2025-09-01 05:03:57 <vms14       > i just had to include unix/x.fs
2025-09-01 05:58:34 <vms14       > https://termbin.com/jwyb
2025-09-01 05:58:41 <vms14       > this is cool
2025-09-01 13:58:34 <veltas      > I think the point of programming language standards is to produce code that scares people trained on the last revision of the standard where it was broken
2025-09-01 14:08:21 <xentrac     > vms14: yay xlib bindings!
2025-09-01 14:08:31 <xentrac     > I didn't know about include unix/x.fs
2025-09-01 14:09:08 <vms14       > xentrac: you have to update gforth
2025-09-01 14:09:29 <xentrac     > yeah, I also have 0.7.3 which doesn't have it
2025-09-01 14:09:33 <vms14       > https://gforth.org/
2025-09-01 14:09:48 <vms14       > download the bleeding edge version
2025-09-01 14:09:54 <vms14       > then run the commands there
2025-09-01 14:09:55 <xentrac     > veltas: what do you mean?
2025-09-01 14:10:05 <vms14       > it will install the entire universe though
2025-09-01 14:10:16 <vms14       > but it comes with xlib bindings, opengl, etc
2025-09-01 14:10:36 <xentrac     > I should add GForth bindings to Yeso
2025-09-01 14:10:53 <veltas      > xentrac: e.g. C++ code that uses globals makes me cringe because I 'know' that's bad, but since constexpr constructors have been added it's more safe now for some things
2025-09-01 14:11:50 <xentrac     > because of the static initialization order fiasco?
2025-09-01 14:11:55 <veltas      > Yeah
2025-09-01 14:12:10 <xentrac     > interesting, I didn't realize constexpr was relevant to that
2025-09-01 14:12:37 <xentrac     > the nice thing about C++ is that there's always so much more to learn?
2025-09-01 14:12:49 <veltas      > Well if it's constexpr doesn't that mean it's safe wrt order of init?
2025-09-01 14:13:05 <veltas      > Wow deja vu, feel like I've had this conversation before
2025-09-01 14:14:37 <xentrac     > I'm sure you're right
2025-09-01 14:24:08 <vms14       > btw the code i shown is terribly wrong xD
2025-09-01 14:24:23 <vms14       > i forgot to actually execute the open-display word
2025-09-01 14:24:41 <vms14       > it works because i have put a [ ] inside it xD
2025-09-01 14:25:13 <vms14       > but i actually just wanted to add the if, so that [] should be outside and the word just check
2025-09-01 14:28:17 <vms14       > also i see that it takes a s" string instead of s\" " drop  i'm not sure if the stable version supports that, but c-function accepts s as argument which will take a s" string
2025-09-01 14:29:29 <vms14       > i was using s\" ...\0" to add the null for c because i did not know i could actually put s instead of a in the stack notation for c-function
2025-09-01 14:29:46 <vms14       > although not sure if that is available in the stable version
2025-09-01 14:33:11 <vms14       > it's not documented https://gforth.org/manual/Declaring-C-Functions.html
2025-09-01 14:33:32 <vms14       > but i have seen it in the unix/x.fs file
2025-09-01 14:34:07 <vms14       > that's the file
2025-09-01 14:34:10 <vms14       > https://termbin.com/4zz6
2025-09-01 14:36:04 <vms14       > also i do not know how is he adding the I flag for the compiler
2025-09-01 14:37:04 <vms14       > i see s" X11 -lXext" add-lib
2025-09-01 14:39:11 <vms14       > and seems that gforth structures map to c structures
2025-09-01 14:39:50 <vms14       > i don't know if it's new, because i thought i had to create my own c functions to mess with them
2025-09-01 14:49:19 <xentrac     > that's awesome!
2025-09-01 14:49:42 <xentrac     > I imagine it's a thing that hasn't changed and which might be platform-dependent
2025-09-01 14:50:14 <xentrac     > I mean you could imagine that on some platform the padding between struct members might differ between GForth and C
2025-09-01 14:50:24 <xentrac     > but that's not so likely to change over time
2025-09-01 14:51:57 <vms14       > btw now gforth uses swig to generate the .fs files for ffi
2025-09-01 14:52:32 <vms14       > idk if you are going to update it, but swig should help you automate bindings if you want to create them
2025-09-01 14:52:53 <vms14       > although i know nothing about swig xd
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2025-09-01 14:54:05 <vms14       > would be cool to be able to ask mr paysan random questions
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2025-09-01 14:54:29 <vms14       > cleobuline: some users left the channel because you wouldn't stop spamming with your bot
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2025-09-01 14:58:13 <xentrac     > it's amazing that SWIG is still a thing
2025-09-01 16:49:39 <cleobuline  > vms14:   anyone can  type "forthBot: EXIT
2025-09-01 16:50:12 <vms14       > no one will though
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