2026-01-21 10:04:56 <KipIngram   > COTS = commercial off the shelf.  Sorry about that.
2026-01-21 10:05:48 <KipIngram   > So, "just wire that I go out and buy."
2026-01-21 10:06:42 <veltas      > I didn't know what COTS meant until I went to go work in defense where it's sort of mandated that 'COTS' stuff or almost-'COTS' is used to reduce costs
2026-01-21 10:07:03 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, as in grippy rubberised, twine or fine metal braid ?
2026-01-21 10:13:02 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, and veltas I don't know if you guys have seen or used 'fabric' https://github.com/danielmiessler/Fabric ? it's a very handy unix app that (among many other things) allows me to access my paid AI from the CLI as in " tp@fbsd15:~ % fabric "what is a ujt ?" "
2026-01-21 10:53:25 <veltas      > Cool
2026-01-21 10:55:09 <veltas      > Does it need to be paid for the API to allow you to hook it up to Fabric?
2026-01-21 10:56:57 <tpbsd       > veltas, I don't know, but the AI's in the list are all the full blow ones that need to live in a data centre, so probably
2026-01-21 10:58:50 <tpbsd       > I use Kimi-K2 which is opensource and so free, but at 700GB image I have to pay for the resources it uses which arent much, usually a couple of cents for big problems. 1/2 a cent for typical problems
2026-01-21 10:59:40 <tpbsd       > I use it via Openrouter and the provider is moonshotai/kimi-k2:free
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2026-01-21 18:09:36 <KipIngram   > No, not necessarily "grippy."  I just meant plain jane hookup wire, like this:
2026-01-21 18:09:39 <KipIngram   > https://www.amazon.com/TUOFENG-Hookup-Wires-6-Different-Colored/dp/B07TX6BX47?sr=8-7
2026-01-21 18:10:37 <KipIngram   > It's pretty versatile - solder it, screw it into a screw terminal, stick it in in one of those white breadboard holes, etc.
2026-01-21 18:12:04 <KipIngram   > It's flexible enough to be easy to work with, but stiff enough to generally stay where you put it when you bend/press it into place.
2026-01-21 18:13:07 <KipIngram   > And if you happen to need a twisted pair you can just anchor two lengths in a clamp or something, stick the other end in a drill chuck, and twist it right up.
2026-01-21 18:13:34 <KipIngram   > It gets shorter when you do that, of course, so you have to be sure to start with enough.  I usually do a long length, cut off what I need, and set the rest aside for later.
2026-01-21 21:20:53 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, no I dont use that kind of wire. I use wire from old transformer cores when I need thick varnish coated copper, thin copper varnish coated wire from large spools. For insulated multistrand wire I use teflon insulated silver coated copper wire for hookup that I recovered from a old Burroughs cabinet tape drive years ago
2026-01-21 21:22:41 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I dont like pvc insulation, prefering teflon. I do have some thick mains 'figure of 8' pvc insulated cable for special jobs needing longer high current application
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2026-01-21 23:52:45 <tpbsd       > 27,6 C  81,7 F yahoo, my stm32 Forth dev environment is up on FreeBSD-15 now
2026-01-21 23:53:39 <tpbsd       > it's a complex system as it adds readline to Mecrisp-Stellaris and the terminal transport is SWD (JTAG) and not a UART
2026-01-21 23:54:21 <tpbsd       > not to mention it also deploys FURS to provide all the peripheral register syntax