2026-01-26 04:40:28 <tpbsd       > 39,2 C  102,6 F
2026-01-26 09:43:03 <KipIngram   > tpbsd: That sounds terrific.  I haven't looked  yet, but I've always found mecrisp interesting, so thanks for the effort!
2026-01-26 09:44:24 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, it's just a LSP, atm it only autocompletes the default Dictionary words but Im adding CMSIS completion to it as well
2026-01-26 09:45:13 <tpbsd       > it will use a sqlite database for the CMSIS names per model of mcu
2026-01-26 11:00:18 <KipIngram   > Egad.  I help moderate a Reddit community that focuses on a particular urban fantasy book series.  One of the few "rules" of the community is "be civil."  And frankly I'm gobsmacked by the number of people who seem to think someone merely disagreeing with them constitutes a civility violation.  :-|
2026-01-26 11:01:14 <tpbsd       > and a personal insult
2026-01-26 11:01:35 <KipIngram   > Yes.  People seem to expect to walk around in a world where no one ever asks them to think at all.
2026-01-26 11:01:47 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, welcome to the Dark Ages-VX.xx
2026-01-26 11:04:15 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I think there is a very strong 'tribal belonging' now, and to be a member one must agree with the tribe in all ways, to think differently is seen as an attack on the tribe
2026-01-26 11:06:37 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, for instance I had this comment in my post of my LSP on Redit yesterday "
2026-01-26 11:06:38 <tpbsd       > u/Wootery avatar
2026-01-26 11:06:38 <tpbsd       > Wootery
2026-01-26 11:06:38 <tpbsd       > Neat project.
2026-01-26 11:06:40 <tpbsd       > I wouldn't use SourceForge though. They earned their never again under any circumstances years ago. It's good they're nearly dead, but a shame they're not gone completely."
2026-01-26 11:08:40 <tpbsd       > typical 'cancel culture' tribalist, doesnt even know why Sourceforge was 'cancelled' long ago, doesnt care and probably didnt look at my website or read about what my LSP project actually does.
2026-01-26 11:09:27 <tpbsd       > this person just wanted to to virtual signal for their cancel culture tribe
2026-01-26 11:09:51 <tpbsd       > sadly, it's so typical thesedays
2026-01-26 11:47:58 <iv4nshm4k0v > "Build a system even a fool can use..."  Usenet certainly has its share of issues, but a good thing about it is that someone with a smartphone can't just stumble into it.
2026-01-26 11:48:48 <tpbsd       > iv4nshm4k0v, Google Groups ?
2026-01-26 11:49:16 <iv4nshm4k0v > No longer run a gateway since c. 2023.
2026-01-26 11:50:43 <pgeorgi     > suddenly the spam filters were out of work...
2026-01-26 11:51:49 <tpbsd       > oh, GG isnt operational any longer ?
2026-01-26 11:52:19 <tpbsd       > that would be good news as it lowered the bar to irc entry
2026-01-26 11:52:59 <tpbsd       > pgeorgi, hahah, my SLRN spam filter was huge at one point in the 90's
2026-01-26 11:53:01 <iv4nshm4k0v > Google Groups host their own mailing lists, and also function as an archive of Usenet postings prior to, I think, January 2023.  It no longer has access to Usenet otherwise.
2026-01-26 11:53:15 <tpbsd       > iv4nshm4k0v, excellent news
2026-01-26 11:54:17 <tpbsd       > mind you, Im only using Hexchat and thats just a Unix GUI IRC client, dead easy to set up and use
2026-01-26 11:54:35 <pgeorgi     > tpbsd: yeah, those spammers all went away, to be replaced by via-GoogleGroups spammers. Those still operate (on the GG-style mailing lists), but they probably never heard of a thing called usenet, so...
2026-01-26 11:57:20 <veltas      > iv4nshm4k0v: That's a good reference, t3x
2026-01-26 11:57:42 <tpbsd       > pgeorgi, back in the day, I used to be very active on C.O.L.A. I even collected posts from about three different usenet servers so I didnt miss anything. Then I made a Python program to collate all the message headers and group those with identical IP's or addresses and I would post a list of people using multiple nicks to out the trolls
2026-01-26 11:57:58 <veltas      > iv4nshm4k0v: I'm currently working on a B-style language that's definitely got some design cross-over for that, so is good reading for me
2026-01-26 11:58:06 <veltas      > Also aimed at Z80
2026-01-26 11:58:19 <veltas      > But portable to larger systems, lots of similarities
2026-01-26 11:58:32 <tpbsd       > lol that python program would run all night on a 386 with thousands of posts
2026-01-26 12:08:30 <veltas      > I 100% agree tpbsd, I think especially millenials seem to be obsessed with slandering people they barely know based on different 'well known' supposed faults
2026-01-26 12:08:45 <veltas      > And then if you ever quiz them on it they turn out to be wrong a lot of the time
2026-01-26 12:09:15 <veltas      > Although I know sourceforge budled stuff with builds at some point and their website is a bit crap in my personal opinion, but it would never stop me using a project
2026-01-26 12:09:35 <veltas      > The best ZX spectrum emulator is on sourceforge so people are missing out if they won't use it
2026-01-26 12:10:02 <veltas      > I am a millenial myself by the way, this is why I am too aware of this phenomenon
2026-01-26 12:10:22 <tpbsd       > veltas, agreed, I find SF excellent, I've used them for yeard to host my Mecrisp-Stellaris unofficial doc site and they have never hassled me
2026-01-26 12:10:45 <tpbsd       > veltas, I know youre 35 ? as you told me once
2026-01-26 12:11:01 <veltas      > Yeah near that age
2026-01-26 12:11:06 <veltas      > I'm a little younger than that
2026-01-26 12:12:26 <tpbsd       > veltas, hard to belive youre you're so young ;-)
2026-01-26 12:12:34 <veltas      > A lot in my generation have no sense of humour and just this insane need to keep up with the latest people they're meant to hate for whatever reason
2026-01-26 12:12:48 <veltas      > A lot of Gen Z are like this too, but less thankfully
2026-01-26 12:13:09 <veltas      > I always tease my wife that she's Gen Z because she's right on the boundary
2026-01-26 12:13:48 <tpbsd       > veltas, Im sorry you missed out on my generation (boomer), times are so much harder now
2026-01-26 12:15:38 <tpbsd       > veltas, anyway, I just ignore all the millenial nonsense, their crazy 'cancellations' and 'group think'
2026-01-26 12:16:41 <veltas      > It's crazier in person when someone tells you outright lies, and you calmly try to get them to explain it, then prove they're wrong, and they will still double-down and say that their hate is justified
2026-01-26 12:16:44 <tpbsd       > veltas, I hope they will grow out of it
2026-01-26 12:17:35 <veltas      > As a christian I think the priciple of not "bearing false witness" is profoundly important, and this is literally what they're doing
2026-01-26 12:17:40 <tpbsd       > yeah, thats why I dont argue with them, I dont have the energy or time to waste. I'd hate to be in your shoes
2026-01-26 12:17:57 <veltas      > So I have to forgive and move on, as you say
2026-01-26 12:18:43 <tpbsd       > veltas, it's better to move on anyway, no one needs a war
2026-01-26 12:19:22 <tpbsd       > we all have our projects and they take time ... no time for wars and fighting
2026-01-26 12:23:01 <veltas      > Agreed, peace is my preference
2026-01-26 12:23:23 <tpbsd       > yeah, peace is always best I've found
2026-01-26 12:24:20 <veltas      > I think any creative hacker needs to strictly limit the relative amount of time they spend on social media or just engaging in this kind of stuff, we should all aim to do 'good' or be productive for most of our available time, whatever that is
2026-01-26 12:24:32 <tpbsd       > agreed!
2026-01-26 12:24:43 <veltas      > Especially for me as a father of two, gets a bit busy, so don't have time for nonsense
2026-01-26 12:24:53 <tpbsd       > I think social media is a massive waste of time
2026-01-26 12:25:03 <tpbsd       > so true
2026-01-26 12:25:12 <veltas      > I consider this a kind of 'social media', although that's stretching it
2026-01-26 12:25:25 <veltas      > But I'm just trying to use up-to-date terms
2026-01-26 12:25:31 <tpbsd       > I had 6 kids along the way, have something like 12 grandkids now
2026-01-26 12:25:37 <veltas      > Wow, congrats
2026-01-26 12:25:43 <tpbsd       > and a ex wife
2026-01-26 12:26:10 <tpbsd       > you'll be where I am one day I think
2026-01-26 12:26:20 <tpbsd       > without a ex wife I hope
2026-01-26 12:26:42 <veltas      > They are two kids under 2 years old right now
2026-01-26 12:26:57 <veltas      > One is not even two months
2026-01-26 12:27:12 <tpbsd       > best time to enjoy childrent at 2, theyre so interesting
2026-01-26 12:27:22 <veltas      > Yes interesting and also a hassle
2026-01-26 12:27:24 <tpbsd       > oh, of course
2026-01-26 12:27:25 <veltas      > But I absolutely agree
2026-01-26 12:27:46 <tpbsd       > youll look back on this time one day with fondness
2026-01-26 12:28:56 <tpbsd       > I had one thats a genius, she was a odd baby, never cried, had a piercing gaze, was dux at school every year
2026-01-26 12:29:08 <tpbsd       > shes a senior architecht now
2026-01-26 12:30:13 <tpbsd       > she has a scary intellect, Im sure she pities my average intelligence
2026-01-26 12:31:35 <tpbsd       > and my eldest son, while not academic once recited PI to 80 places from memory for me while I checked it off a printout
2026-01-26 12:32:26 <tpbsd       > he didnt make any mistakes. He clains he can do it to 280 decimal places but he needs to spend a few weeks re mrmorizing it all!
2026-01-26 13:24:15 <veltas      > https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/26/lagos-waterfront-demolition-makoko-displacement
2026-01-26 13:24:26 <veltas      > In one picture someone is cooking in a wooden canoe with an open fire
2026-01-26 13:24:34 <veltas      > How on earth do they manage that in a wooden canoe?
2026-01-26 13:24:49 <tpbsd       > water cooled ? ;-)
2026-01-26 13:25:48 <veltas      > Surely the canoe would degrade even with water cooling
2026-01-26 13:26:16 <veltas      > This is fascinating to me
2026-01-26 13:26:43 <tpbsd       > perhaps over thousands of years they have perfected the technique ?
2026-01-26 13:27:07 <tpbsd       > veltas, like the best ever firestarter ?
2026-01-26 13:29:48 <tpbsd       > you get a wood tube with a piston and put some fine fire starter cotton in the mouth of the tube then whack the piston down, the rapidly compressed air gets so hot it sets the cotton on fire!
2026-01-26 13:38:02 <veltas      > Interesting
2026-01-26 13:38:30 <tpbsd       > I saw a YouTube on it recently
2026-01-26 13:38:33 <veltas      > I heard diesel engines work that way
2026-01-26 13:50:42 <KipIngram   > tpbsd: Yes, that all seems to nail it pretty well.
2026-01-26 13:51:10 <KipIngram   > It all may just be telling me I'm getting old - my thought habits were formed in a pretty different world.
2026-01-26 13:51:19 <tpbsd       > veltas, hey sure do
2026-01-26 13:51:33 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, as were mine
2026-01-26 13:51:42 <KipIngram   > For one thing it was entirely "pre-internet."  By the time the internet came along, I was pretty set in my ways.
2026-01-26 13:52:25 <tpbsd       > I grew up in a day when there were phone boxes on every corner and each one had a pristine phone book inside, no grafitti, no vandalism etc
2026-01-26 13:52:25 <KipIngram   > At least in the big ways.  I have tried to adjust a little here and there.
2026-01-26 13:53:45 <KipIngram   > One difference, apparently, is that back then we were expected to develop skins that were at least a little bit thick, and most of us managed to do so.
2026-01-26 13:54:07 <KipIngram   > "Sticks and stones."
2026-01-26 13:55:47 <tpbsd       > yeah, that hasnt changed over the years
2026-01-26 13:56:08 <tpbsd       > nor has the general ignorance of the general public
2026-01-26 13:56:43 <KipIngram   > Yeah, but the internet has made that general ignorance a whole lot easier to see.
2026-01-26 13:59:47 <tpbsd       > as a child I was obsessed with electronics, thanks to a 1954 copy of the ARRL handbook I was given by a school friend who found it in his attic. So I was forever asking any adult who would talk to me to help explain concepts I didnt yet grasp, and they were all useless. In fact they would avoid me once they saw me heading their way with more questions
2026-01-26 14:00:16 <tpbsd       > The Internet or a AI would have been a incredible bonus to me then
2026-01-26 14:00:38 <tpbsd       > but at that point I was learning about Thermionic Valves
2026-01-26 14:03:39 <KipIngram   > :-)  Gotta love "why" kids.
2026-01-26 14:03:52 <KipIngram   > Yours were pretty specific, but same sort of thing.
2026-01-26 14:04:01 <KipIngram   > Hungry minds are wonderful things.
2026-01-26 14:04:37 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I agree, but some people see it as a hassle
2026-01-26 14:04:45 <KipIngram   > Yes.
2026-01-26 14:04:53 <tpbsd       > 'kids should be seen and not heard'
2026-01-26 14:05:03 <KipIngram   > That was definitely a thing.
2026-01-26 14:05:06 <MrMobius    > tp, I found a copy of National's TTL chip catalog from 1974 today. sounds like something youve used
2026-01-26 14:05:26 <MrMobius    > no 74HC yet
2026-01-26 14:05:29 <KipIngram   > Oh yeah - that thing was a dang bible.
2026-01-26 14:05:39 <tpbsd       > MrMobius, yeah I had all the Ti databooks, orance in color, hardcover
2026-01-26 14:06:30 <tpbsd       > MrMobius, I ditched them all probably around 2010 along with about 500 scifi books
2026-01-26 14:07:08 <KipIngram   > tpbsd: The internet really would have been a godsend back then.  The clostest thing I had was that my family did have a set of encyclopedias.  Two, actually - one from around 1970 and one from the late 1950's.  And I do remember noticing that the 1950's version had a much better article on radio.
2026-01-26 14:07:19 <tpbsd       > I visited all the secondhand book sellers in my area, no one wanted my scifi collection 'no one reads that stuff anymore' they told me
2026-01-26 14:07:24 <KipIngram   > The coverage was a lot "fluffier" in the later one.
2026-01-26 14:07:48 <MrMobius    > I just started reading The Caves of Steel
2026-01-26 14:08:14 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, my parents dad a expansive set of encyclopedias, but the knowledge was too 'general' for me
2026-01-26 14:08:22 <KipIngram   > That Golden Age science fiction isn't nearly as sophisticated as what came later, but it does have a certain "charm" to it.
2026-01-26 14:09:02 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, but dad had large stacks of 'Popular Mechanics' and how I adored them, they were awesome
2026-01-26 14:09:29 <KipIngram   > Yes, it sounds like you had gotten really focused.  I didn't go down any road like that, but was extremely "broad" in my interests.  Maybe just because that's what I was equipped to accomplish.
2026-01-26 14:10:14 <tpbsd       > The Caves of Steel - Isaac Asimov - 1954 ! the year I was born
2026-01-26 14:10:16 <KipIngram   > I still am pretty broad in my interests - day to day you might find me chasing physics/math, or history, or music theory, etc.  There's really no telling.
2026-01-26 14:10:39 <KipIngram   > I'm quite a ways deeper in some of them now, because I've had time.
2026-01-26 14:11:24 <KipIngram   > :-)  1963 here.
2026-01-26 14:12:43 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I was only 9 in 1963, but old enough to appreciate the music of the 60's it was a magic time
2026-01-26 14:13:06 <KipIngram   > Oh yeah.  I still listen almost exclusively to 60s/70s/80s music.
2026-01-26 14:13:18 <tpbsd       > this is the first scifi book I ever read, I think I was about 12 at the time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_in_the_Sky
2026-01-26 14:14:03 <KipIngram   > One of my early ones that has stuck in my memory was Clarke's "Against the Fall of Night."  I was at a good age to empathize with the young protagonist.
2026-01-26 14:14:10 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, that was the most magic time ever in my opinion, real creativity, real music
2026-01-26 14:14:22 <KipIngram   > Yes.  I totally agree.
2026-01-26 14:14:43 <KipIngram   > I still often re-watch old TV shows from that era too.
2026-01-26 14:14:43 <tpbsd       > and I hear most of it live as it was released
2026-01-26 14:14:52 <KipIngram   > Prefer them quite a lot over the more recent stuff.
2026-01-26 14:15:03 <KipIngram   > There were a few shows post-2000 that I enjoyed, but not many.
2026-01-26 14:15:28 <KipIngram   > Supernatural, because I'm a nut for occult fiction.  Person of Interest, Burn Notice.  The Battlestar reboot wound up being pretty good.
2026-01-26 14:15:33 <KipIngram   > But that's really about it.
2026-01-26 14:15:37 <tpbsd       > yeah, it's all been losing that vital spark of originality since then
2026-01-26 14:15:58 <KipIngram   > Maybe here and there there are some good ones, but if so they're lost in the noise.
2026-01-26 14:16:16 <tpbsd       > Person of Interest, Burn Notice.  The Battlestar reboot ... all favorites of mine
2026-01-26 14:17:22 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I grew up in a 'haunted house' so the occult and I have had a sometimes too close relationship
2026-01-26 14:18:09 <KipIngram   > Re: the encyclopedia, I started reading it almost immediately upon being able to read.  I didn't read early; I followed the usual path of doing that in the first grade.  But I don't remember making any real "effort" to learn - my recollection of it is just that I went to school every day and did the reading class, and at some point I went home one day not being able to read and got there the next
2026-01-26 14:18:12 <KipIngram   > day being able to.  It was like scales fell from my eyes or something.
2026-01-26 14:18:32 <KipIngram   > Something just went click in my head.  I guess I did "learn," but it was mostly unconscious.  And at no point did it ever feel like a "chore."
2026-01-26 14:19:20 <KipIngram   > And that was a gift - I think some people don't read much because it's hard for them, and it stays hard because they don't read much.  Vicious cycle.
2026-01-26 14:19:23 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, and yet to got into IBM, and they only take the smart ones :)
2026-01-26 14:19:48 <KipIngram   > They didn't "take me" - they bought the company I was working for.
2026-01-26 14:20:02 <KipIngram   > Though I did co-op with them in college three work tours; I guess they "took me" then.
2026-01-26 14:20:04 <tpbsd       > I sat the IBM exam, but they werent interested
2026-01-26 14:20:52 <tpbsd       > I was a terrible student, I dont have a 'academic mind' I guess
2026-01-26 14:21:14 <KipIngram   > They told me at the time that co-op time would count as permanent employment time, but somehow by the time I got back with them in 2012 that year had gotten lost - they couldn't find it.
2026-01-26 14:21:17 <tpbsd       > but it works well enough for me I have found, in my own pursuits
2026-01-26 14:21:27 <KipIngram   > So I had to wait an extra year before stepping up to an extra week of vacation.
2026-01-26 14:22:17 <KipIngram   > I suspect it could have been found, but after a while of asking about it I got the distinct impression that they were starting to perceive me as nagging them.
2026-01-26 14:22:25 <KipIngram   > So I just let it go.
2026-01-26 14:22:35 <tpbsd       > heh
2026-01-26 14:22:49 <tpbsd       > no one likes a 'nagger'!
2026-01-26 14:23:19 <KipIngram   > Right.  I didn't want to "be that guy."  But I did remember the name of two of my managers, and the months of the work tours, so how hard could it really have been?
2026-01-26 14:23:38 <KipIngram   > One of them had last name Rzepka, and there couldn't have been many of those.
2026-01-26 14:24:23 <tpbsd       > sounds like they were being deliberately vague
2026-01-26 14:24:52 <KipIngram   > Maybe.  It didn't kill me to do without a week of time off for one year.  And now it's all history anyway.
2026-01-26 14:25:10 <KipIngram   > Part of the memory package.
2026-01-26 14:25:43 <KipIngram   > One thing I have to say is that it was an interesting career.  I got around to a lot of places and did a lot of neat things.
2026-01-26 14:25:56 <KipIngram   > And managed to never be  unemmployed.
2026-01-26 14:25:56 <tpbsd       > 'sweet dreams are made of theese ..."
2026-01-26 14:26:23 <KipIngram   > Yeah, even the tougher experiences seem like fond memories now.
2026-01-26 14:26:56 <tpbsd       > same here, I jumped from R&D to R&D positions on fascinating projects, sometimes as a tech, sometimes as dept mgr
2026-01-26 14:29:32 <KipIngram   > Very similar here.
2026-01-26 14:29:38 <tpbsd       > well it's 0030 here, thanks for the chat, I better get some sleep
2026-01-26 14:29:45 <KipIngram   > Oh hey - rest well.
2026-01-26 14:29:45 <veltas      > night
2026-01-26 14:29:51 <KipIngram   > Us old guys need our rest.  ;-)
2026-01-26 14:29:58 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, Im not at all suprised to hear it from you
2026-01-26 14:30:07 <tpbsd       > hahah, and our beauty sleep
2026-01-26 14:30:15 <KipIngram   > Damn straight.
2026-01-26 14:30:15 <tpbsd       > ok, I'm gone