2026-02-11 08:46:25 <deadmarshal > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxv79fqwnHEXei35rG6V-BzLUO5vxaiPJ
2026-02-11 09:33:28 <veltas      > KipIngram: I think what's amazing about Mad Men is how much work they actually got done despite all the booze they were smashing
2026-02-11 09:33:56 <veltas      > I know that's sort of what it was like everywhere though back in the day, quite normal to have alcohol in the office
2026-02-11 09:34:38 <veltas      > When my dad started work that was sort of on its way out but there were still older gents who were essentially useless past 12 o' clock
2026-02-11 13:42:37 <KipIngram   > Right - and of course it was a fun thing for the show to dramatize.  I imagine it varied industry to industry too.  Given how often they had clients in their offices, I'm sure that was part of it too - the "hospitality" angle.
2026-02-11 13:43:30 <KipIngram   > Man, my wife was fit to be tied after we watched the first episode of that show.  The gender bias in the workplace really set her off.  Of course there was nothing particularly unrealistic about it, given the early 1960's setting.
2026-02-11 13:43:42 <KipIngram   > She wound up liking the show anyway, but she had to "get over" that part first.
2026-02-11 13:44:41 <KipIngram   > I really liked the "small company" aspect of it, and it was long before the whole "hold hands a single kum bah yah" mentality that came in later.  I think I would have thrived in such an environment.
2026-02-11 13:44:55 <KipIngram   > Did thrive, in the later incarnations of such environments.
2026-02-11 13:45:22 <KipIngram   > s/single/sing/
2026-02-11 13:46:16 <KipIngram   > And in spite of what a scoundrel he was, Draper just FASCINATED me.
2026-02-11 13:46:24 <KipIngram   > Especially the first couple of seasons.
2026-02-11 13:47:50 <KipIngram   > There was just something very... I don't know - "Ayn Rand"-ish about his whole approach to life.  Plenty to criticize about him, but you can't say he didn't live life on his own terms and accept whatever came of it.
2026-02-11 13:50:46 <KipIngram   > And I just loved the big boss guy.  He was pretty fasinating too.
2026-02-11 13:52:34 <KipIngram   > When I re-watch that I usually only do the first two seasons - I think they kind of lost grip on where to go with the show later.
2026-02-11 13:56:06 <veltas      > I just enjoyed the program as sort of a light historical comedy / drama
2026-02-11 13:57:17 <veltas      > The biases in the show are exagerrated for effect, dramatic irony
2026-02-11 13:57:37 <veltas      > It wasn't an exagerration for some but the extent is played up for effect
2026-02-11 13:58:23 <veltas      > There's likely a lot of stuff that people who lived through that era would cringe at for being unrealistic or revisionist, but it's not exactly a documentary anyway
2026-02-11 13:59:07 <veltas      > I just enjoyed it, it was funny and very on the nose, hopefully everyone else got to enjoy it too like your wife, after getting used to it
2026-02-11 13:59:33 <veltas      > I think of the scene in the pilot where they're all talking about how obviously cigarrettes aren't dangerous while coughing through the fumes
2026-02-11 14:03:02 <KipIngram   > Right - that was pretty hilarious.  They hit on that again later when Don and Betty woke up one morning and both of them had to hack out all the phlegm built up over night - it came off as though it was the routine first act of the day, every day.
2026-02-11 14:04:17 <KipIngram   > I just remember how well they caught me off guard at the end of that first episode.  All through here's this guy, doing his job, hanging out with his girlfriend, worried about his big pitch, etc. etc.  Then at the end... oh, here's his HOUSE and his WIFE and his KIDS.  Bam - I never saw that coming.
2026-02-11 14:05:31 <KipIngram   > The thing was pretty much worth watching just for Joan, though - I really, REALLY liked Joan.  :-)
2026-02-11 14:29:14 <veltas      > The show definitely has some lulls, I understand why you didn't watch past season 2
2026-02-11 14:29:44 <veltas      > I think it's worth watching the whole thing but it's just TV at the end of the day, I don't care that much and it's your time
2026-02-11 14:30:05 <veltas      > There's not a lot of TV I would recommend, Mad Men I'd recommend to anyone who enjoyed season 1
2026-02-11 14:30:57 <veltas      > My fav series is The Sopranos for many years now, I only watched Mad Men because it was somehow associated with the creators
2026-02-11 15:43:45 <KipIngram   > Oh, cool.  So, the ESP32-C6 has 14 through-hole connections - seven on each side of the board - and ships with the little pair of seven-pin headers you can solder in there.  But I just discovered that on the bottom of the board there are pads *in between* those through hole pads - all six on one side and three on the other - and also six additional bottom side pads.  So that's actually 29 potential
2026-02-11 15:43:48 <KipIngram   > external connections to the board.  I haven't checked the functionality of those harder-to-get-at-ones yet.
2026-02-11 17:32:01 <KipIngram   > Ok, that's not quite right - that was a different product.  I do see from inspecting mine, though, that it seems it's set up for 14 through-hole connections or 24 SM connections.
2026-02-11 17:49:27 <tpbsd       > KipIngram, I think the bottom pads that arent thru hole are there for production testing at the factory, or perhaps jtag for flashing firmware at the factory etc
2026-02-11 17:50:10 <tpbsd       > theyre made to mate with 'bed of nails' test probes in test fixtures
2026-02-11 17:54:02 <KipIngram   > That very well could be.
2026-02-11 17:56:44 <tpbsd       > non thru hole are just test points, theyre not useful to solder to and often very close to other tracks/components. Except where theyre half moon pad pairs, in that case they are solderable link option pads
2026-02-11 17:57:38 <tpbsd       > just a blob of solder is used to short those half-moon pads, no wire needed
2026-02-11 19:52:47 <rendar_     > : a ;    : b a ;     : a b ;    <- now calling 'a' or 'b' word should produce an infinite loop, right?
2026-02-11 19:59:03 <iv4nshm4k0v > AIUI, when ": b a ;" is compiled, the /address/ of (the first) 'a' becomes part of the 'b' definition.  When 'a' is defined anew, it has no effect on the previously defined 'b'.
2026-02-11 19:59:59 <rendar_     > iv4nshm4k0v: so in every word redefinition its address changes
2026-02-11 20:10:03 <tpbsd       > rendar_, Mecrisp-Stellaris RA 2.5.4 with M0 core for STM32F051 by Matthias Koch
2026-02-11 20:10:03 <tpbsd       >  : a ;  ok.
2026-02-11 20:10:03 <tpbsd       > see a
2026-02-11 20:10:04 <tpbsd       > : b a ;     : a b ;  Redefine a.  ok.
2026-02-11 20:10:05 <iv4nshm4k0v > The compiler is pretty much append-only (aside of FORGET.)  : foo ... ; : foo ... ; : foo ... ; defines three words, all of them placed into memory under their own addresses.
2026-02-11 20:10:06 <tpbsd       > see b
2026-02-11 20:10:08 <tpbsd       > 200005A4: 4770  bx lr
2026-02-11 20:10:10 <tpbsd       > Bytes: 2  ok.
2026-02-11 20:10:12 <tpbsd       > see a
2026-02-11 20:10:14 <tpbsd       > 200005B0: 4770  bx lr
2026-02-11 20:10:16 <tpbsd       > Bytes: 2  ok.
2026-02-11 22:45:43 <veltas      > iv4nshm4k0v: Okay NetBSD installed on my desktop
2026-02-11 22:45:57 <veltas      > So far wifi seems to work well, got 11.0 RC 1
2026-02-11 22:46:16 <veltas      > Took about an hour, mostly download/install, didn't touch configuration much